Donald vs Hillary

[msj]

4 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

You may be cool with it.  Most feminists aren't cool with using a woman's past to publicly shame her into silence.

 

In the political realm it's too bad, so sad. 

Just like Trump doesn't get to be President because of his past. 

Publicly shamed and a political loser.  

He never should of played the game with his history but "know thyself" is a foreign concept to such an egoist. 

 

[msj]

4 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

haha, silence?  I mentioned earlier that Gennifer Flowers made 500,000 selling her stories to the media.

 

Ah, yes, the positive consequences of coming forward with a claim. 

Hopefully for her it was worth it. 

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, BC_chick said:

I see.  So because the Clintons' failed at their objective, it makes their actions ok?  

I thought you said these women had their lives and reputations destroyed by Hillary?

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, msj said:

 

Ah, yes, the positive consequences of coming forward with a claim. 

Hopefully for her it was worth it. 

And she came forward to many rags and got paid very well.

[BC_chick]

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I thought you said these women had their lives and reputations destroyed by Hillary?

Quote me where I said that.  From what I recall, I said the Clintons set out to destroy the reputations of these women just because they came forward with allegations.

[WestCoastRunner]

1 minute ago, BC_chick said:

Quote me where I said that.  From what I recall, I said the Clintons set out to destroy the reputations of these women just because they came forward with allegations.

This is what you said and I called you out on it asking for evidence.

 

She's unapologetic liar and she aims to 'win' at all costs (insofar as destroying the lives and reputations of the women who accuse Bill of wrongdoing).  

[BC_chick]

4 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

This is what you said and I called you out on it asking for evidence.

 

She's unapologetic liar and she aims to 'win' at all costs (insofar as destroying the lives and reputations of the women who accuse Bill of wrongdoing).  

My bad, that's not what I meant.  It should have read *setting out* to destroy their lives.

I have never thought she actually succeeded in ruining anyone's life, her mere attempts were bad enough for me and in my posts the last few pages I've been clear about that.  

Now I do understand why you keep bringing up the money though.  I didn't make the connection.

Edited October 13, 2016 by BC_chick

[?Impact]

59 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

The last republican the NYT endorsed was in 1956, but sure, they're not left-wing.

Democrats are right wing. Republicans are just further right wing.

[cybercoma]

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

Calling the NYT a left-wing paper suggests you get a lot of your media from right-wing sources (not that I'm questioning their journalism).

My point is that her position as his wife made it very likely she wasn't getting all the information.

The NYT is definitely a liberal paper. It's has a strong focus on the arts.

[Derek 2.0]

9 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

That's one way to spin it. Another more truthful way would be to say that Donald has lost his consistent sizable lead in the LATimes poll. You might also wonder why this one poll is so different than all the others and look into its methodology. There you would find it is in fact a totally different poll. 

 

You can add a second poll that shows Trump with a slight lead over Clinton (within margin of error), with their polling early this week showing a big Clinton lead after the Trump tape was released last week.......and this is the first poll taken fully with data after the 2nd debate (That the experts say Trump lost).

[cybercoma]

12 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

You can add a second poll that shows Trump with a slight lead over Clinton (within margin of error), with their polling early this week showing a big Clinton lead after the Trump tape was released last week.......and this is the first poll taken fully with data after the 2nd debate (That the experts say Trump lost).

There is literally no point in looking at anything other than FiveThirtyEight. They've shown election after election that they're right on the money. It's an aggregator that takes in the other polls, so what you're pointing to has already been accounted for. Hillary extended her probability of a win over the last 48 hours.

[Topaz]

Apparently, I heard that Trump has told his lawyers to start a lawsuit against the women.  One has to give it to the Clintons, keep the Trump busy with these women and  with the help of certain media heads, and no one will talk about the e-mails of Clinton or how she performed as  Sec of State. This is more about politics and not so much about the truth. IF Hillary gets to the White House, then she will take Bill, a rapist back to the White House to do what? Start a war with Russia or chase some young woman?

 

[GostHacked]

So all the allegation against Trump about the sexual misconduct is nothing more than allegations. I mean if the Clinton's have not been charged for their nefarious dealings over the years I think we can let this one thing about Trump slide. Like a cigar in the oval (oral?) office.

[cybercoma]

4 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Apparently, I heard that Trump has told his lawyers to start a lawsuit against the women.  One has to give it to the Clintons, keep the Trump busy with these women and  with the help of certain media heads, and no one will talk about the e-mails of Clinton or how she performed as  Sec of State. This is more about politics and not so much about the truth. IF Hillary gets to the White House, then she will take Bill, a rapist back to the White House to do what? Start a war with Russia or chase some young woman?

Bill Clinton was accused of harassment, not rape.

Donald Trump bragged about sexual assault.

[Derek 2.0]

Just now, cybercoma said:

There is literally no point in looking at anything other than FiveThirtyEight. They've shown election after election that they're right on the money. It's an aggregator that takes in the other polls, so what you're pointing to has already been accounted for. Hillary extended her probability of a win over the last 48 hours.

 

Doesn't FiveThirtyEight use data from Rasmussen? I would assume if this were the first poll complied fully after the debate this would be the first to show a new trend.....if this poll is to be taken as gospel, other polls over the next few days will confirm (or deny) this "shift".......and then FiveThirtyEight will follow suit.

[Derek 2.0]

2 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Donald Trump bragged about sexual assault.

No, Trump bullshitted about "sexual assault", then when pressed by Anderson Cooper during the debate, said it didn't happen.......Trump wouldn't be the first male to bs with other males about encounters with women.......ergo Trump isn't a rapist......a slimeball sure, but not a "rapist" until proven otherwise.

[The_Squid]

 

NY Times' response to Trump demanding they remove an article from their site.

Edited October 14, 2016 by The_Squid

[cybercoma]

9 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Doesn't FiveThirtyEight use data from Rasmussen? I would assume if this were the first poll complied fully after the debate this would be the first to show a new trend.....if this poll is to be taken as gospel, other polls over the next few days will confirm (or deny) this "shift".......and then FiveThirtyEight will follow suit.

FiveThirtyEight weighs the most recent polls more heavily. As you say, you need a number of polls to show the same thing before a trend emerges. That's what the aggregate does. In order to capture change, the most recent polls are valued more.

[cybercoma]

5 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

No, Trump bullshitted about "sexual assault", then when pressed by Anderson Cooper during the debate, said it didn't happen.......Trump wouldn't be the first male to bs with other males about encounters with women.......ergo Trump isn't a rapist......a slimeball sure, but not a "rapist" until proven otherwise.

And I never called him a rapist. I said he bragged about sexual assault. Whether he did it or not doesn't matter. Someone running for president of the free world shouldn't be such a disgusting creep. It's indefensible. And I don't for a second buy that this is some "boys will be boys" garbage. That's insulting to men everywhere. Nobody I hang out with has ever bragged about groping women against their will, saying they could do whatever they want with them because they're afraid to say no. This isn't some teenager or college kid saying, "Daaaaamn, she's fine. I'd like to hit that." This was Trump saying he could grab a woman by the pussy and she wouldn't say no because he's rich and famous. He's bragging about his power because that's exactly the kind of predatory narcissist that he is. It's completely unacceptable for anyone to talk about women that way, let alone a candidate for the presidency. Bill Clinton got impeached for much less (saying he wasn't having an affair under oath when he was). There is absolutely no excuse for continuing to support Donald Trump. The way he speaks about women cannot be condoned and cannot be an example set by the person many American children aspire to be.

[The_Squid]

16 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

No, Trump bullshitted about "sexual assault", ...  a slimeball sure, but not a "rapist" until proven otherwise.

 

Why do you choose not to believe Trump when he brags about groping women?  I don't get it.... I'll take him at his word that he gropes and kisses women and they can't do anything about it cuz he's a powerful TV star/rich guy.

What would lead someone not to believe what he says in this case?

Do you brag about groping women's pussies?   Have you ever bragged about something as heinous as that just cuz it's cool to do?

[Derek 2.0]

10 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

FiveThirtyEight weighs the most recent polls more heavily. As you say, you need a number of polls to show the same thing before a trend emerges. That's what the aggregate does. In order to capture change, the most recent polls are valued more.

Right, and that would make sense, if only a handful of more recent polls show Trump leading/tied, it wouldn't be as distinct on Silver's aggregate.......I liken it to the polls after the first debate, it took until the end of the week after the debate for Trump's polling to match his awful performance.

[cybercoma]

15 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

That final sentence though. Damn.

[dialamah]

6 hours ago, BC_chick said:

You're right, I'm sure it's just coincidence that out of the 5 presidents in my adult recollection only one seems to have multiple women accuse him of sexual misconduct.  

That's him, not her.  In the post I responded to, you were talking about allegations against Ms. Clinton, not Mr. Clinton.

As for the allegation that *she* tried to destroy these women, I don't think the article you linked really says that.  To me it reads more that it was a political decision, taken by Bill and his advisers that she either agreed with or at least didn't fight.      I didn't get the sense from the article that she was leading this charge at all.   

 

 

Edited October 14, 2016 by dialamah

[cybercoma]

3 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Why do you choose not to believe Trump when he brags about groping women?  I don't get it.... I'll take him at his word that he gropes and kisses women and they can't do anything about it cuz he's a powerful TV star/rich guy.

What would lead someone not to believe what he says in this case?

Do you brag about groping women's pussies?   Have you ever bragged about something as heinous as that just cuz it's cool to do?

I've known some particularly creepy bastards who would drone on and on about wanting to do things to women, but never in my life have I been in the company of someone so brazenly bragging about assaulting women against their will. I think that's an important distinction between "boys being boys" and what Trump said.

Edited October 14, 2016 by cybercoma

[The_Squid]

2 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

I've known some particularly creepy bastards who would drone on and on about wanting to do things to women, but never in my life have I been in the company of someone so brazenly bragging about assaulting women against their will. I think that's an important distinction between "boys being boys" and what Trump said.

 

Yes.... let's see if people like Derek can spot the difference:

"I sure would like to give her some roofies and have my way with her"

or

"I gave her some roofies and had my way with her"

Which one is disgusting "locker room talk" and which one is an admission of assault?