Jews in 1930s vs Muslims in 2010s

[August1991]

In the 1930s, central European Jews had no place to go. Well, that's wrong. In the early 1930s, they could live where they were. In the early 1940s, they had no place to go. By the late 1940s, they did have a place. Among several million Jews alive at the time, some managed to do this.

In comparison, nowadays, Muslims around the world number over a billion or so. No fascist State is trying to exterminate Muslims. Indeed, there are several Islamic States. (In the 1930s, there were no Jewish States.)

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I am tired of hearing about comparisons of the Muslim/Syrian refugees today and Jews in the 1930s.

True, at the personal, human level, what's the difference between a family forced to flee Damascus and live as refugees in Beirut, or a family forced to move from Lvov and live in a Warsaw ghetto?

Well, I see a world of difference.

[The_Squid]

I mostly hear comparisons about these refugees and the refugees from the Balkans in the 90s.

But if you're a refugee fleeing for your life with only what you can carry, I suppose it's better to be a these guys than the Jews in the 40's...

But you may have a hard time convincing the little boy lying dead on the beach in that photograph that he's got it so much better...

[August1991]

But you may have a hard time convincing the little boy lying dead on the beach in that photograph that he's got it so much better...

A little boy forced to move to the Warsaw ghetto in 1941 is different from a little boy on a beach in Turkey in 2015.

Both are tragic events.

But to paraphrase Tolstoi, happiness always seems to be the same. Tragedy has its own way to be tragic.

[The_Squid]

A little boy forced to move to the Warsaw ghetto in 1941 is different from a little boy on a beach in Turkey in 2015.

Both are tragic events.

But to paraphrase Tolstoi, happiness always seems to be the same. Tragedy has its own way to be tragic.

No one is claiming the problem is at the same scale as the Jews in the 40s. But there are a million refugees looking for help in 2015... pretty huge problem in its own right.

You act as if this people left a nice home where they came from.

Edited December 13, 2015 by The_Squid

[H10]

Why don't rich arab states like kuwait, qatar, saudi arabia, dubai, the emirates, jordan and so on absorb their own arab kind. Why is it we should? A country like Saudi Arabia could easily absorb 1 million syrian refugees and it make no difference and no assimilation issues.

[Bob Macadoo]

Why don't rich arab states like kuwait, qatar, saudi arabia, dubai, the emirates, jordan and so on absorb their own arab kind. Why is it we should? A country like Saudi Arabia could easily absorb 1 million syrian refugees and it make no difference and no assimilation issues.

This would douse alot of the flames.....those states don't want that.....they need US fighting the battle.

[The_Squid]

Why don't rich arab states like kuwait, qatar, saudi arabia, dubai, the emirates, jordan and so on absorb their own arab kind. Why is it we should? A country like Saudi Arabia could easily absorb 1 million syrian refugees and it make no difference and no assimilation issues.

Because they're assholes?

Edited December 13, 2015 by The_Squid

[Argus]

Why don't rich arab states like kuwait, qatar, saudi arabia, dubai, the emirates, jordan and so on absorb their own arab kind. Why is it we should? A country like Saudi Arabia could easily absorb 1 million syrian refugees and it make no difference and no assimilation issues.

There are also immensely populous Muslim states in Asia, which, despite their proclamations of universal Muslim brotherhood, have zero interest in absorbing a big pile of Arab refugees.

[eyeball]

Probably because they have a lot less in the way of resources and room. Things we have in far greater abundance.

[dre]

Because they're assholes?

The post youre replying to is BS anyways. Why bother even replying to people that have no clue what they're talking about?

Fact is the vast majority of Syrian refugees HAVE been given santuary in Muslim countries.

Over two million in Turkey. Over a million in Lebaon. Over a million in Jordan. 250 in Iraq. 250k In the United Arab Emmerents. 120k in Kuwait. 130k in Egypt, Malaysia, etc, etc.

But the reality is countries like Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon cannot permanently assimilate millions of new citizens so the west chipping in and take some of the refugees from these countries in.

Make no mistake about it though the vast majority of the 4 million + syrian refugees will never leave the middle east.

Edited December 13, 2015 by dre

[The_Squid]

The post youre replying to is BS anyways. Why bother even replying to people that have no clue what they're talking about?

Fact is the vast majority of Syrian refugees HAVE been given santuary in Muslim countries.

Over two million in Turkey. Over a million in Lebaon. Over a million in Jordan. 250 in Iraq. 250k In the United Arab Emmerents. 120k in Kuwait. 130k in Egypt, Malaysia, etc, etc.

But the reality is countries like Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon cannot permanently assimilate millions of new citizens so the west chipping in and take some of the refugees from these countries in.

Make no mistake about it though the vast majority of the 4 million + syrian refugees will never leave the middle east.

Excellent post showing that this poster was simply blowing smoke out of his butt.

I should have done some digging before I responded.

[betsy]

Muslim refugees are comparable to anyone trying to flee a war torn country -Muslim or not. What I'm wondering about, why is the world seems concentrated only on the Muslim refugees?

[BubberMiley]

Muslim refugees are comparable to anyone trying to flee a war torn country -Muslim or not. What I'm wondering about, why is the world seems concentrated only on the Muslim refugees?

Perhaps that's a question you should be asking yourself.

[betsy]

Perhaps that's a question you should be asking yourself.

???

Why?

[eyeball]

Muslim refugees are comparable to anyone trying to flee a war torn country -Muslim or not. What I'm wondering about, why is the world seems concentrated only on the Muslim refugees?

Because there are so many, the cause of their crisis is so politicized and the power of the media to scream at us 24/7. The clearest comparison between a Jewish and a Muslim refugee is that both are/were pretty well despised before they became refugees. As well, most of the angst over this is in the west, where it deserves to be.

[kactus]

Because there are so many, the cause of their crisis is so politicized and the power of the media to scream at us 24/7. The clearest comparison between a Jewish and a Muslim refugee is that both are/were pretty well despised before they became refugees. As well, most of the angst over this is in the west, where it deserves to be.

Excellent post!

[Argus]

But the reality is countries like Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon cannot permanently assimilate millions of new citizens

Why not? Given the new citizens are the same ethnicity, speak the same language, have the same religion and mostly the same culture, as well as similar education and job skills?

[dre]

Why not? Given the new citizens are the same ethnicity, speak the same language, have the same religion and mostly the same culture, as well as similar education and job skills?

Because no country is capable of taking that many people in at a single time.