Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 It has been cited numerous times in this thread.... Which is not evidence of any sort. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Do please gift us with the learned wisdom of all your child care experience? I mean, in all your experience of hiring people to look after children.Yes, much experience with that.And you? How much experience do you have looking after an 8,6 and 2 year old full time? Training, screening, hiring ? Any? . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote
The_Squid Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Which is not evidence of any sort. lol So you want a taped admission by the former PM? Quote
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I found Mulroney mildly amusing. But he lied about his government paid nannies. Now we're facing the truth, dragging dinosaurs into the 21st century, mostly Conservative men with no real child care experience and little respect for it. 'Oh the cook and the housekeeper can do it!' Ridiculous. . I don't care if the Trudeau's have nannies or not, that's their business. Explain to me, why do two people the Trudeau's employed previously all of a sudden become our responsibility? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Only in the mind of a conservative who thinks a woman's role is to look after the children. It's wrong to expect a mother who has no job to take care of her kids? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Yes, much experience with that. And you? How much experience do you have looking after an 8,6 and 2 year old full time? Training, screening, hiring ? Any? . You didn't answer the question. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I don't care if the Trudeau's have nannies or not, that's their business. Explain to me, why do two people the Trudeau's employed previously all of a sudden become our responsibility? Did you not notice an election happened and he became PM? Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) For those that support Justin on this. Can you answer these questions: 1.) If you think this is justified, do you think it should be a taxable benefit for Justin? Is the family chef a taxable benefit? If so, then I'm OK with that.If not, do you support changing the tax code so that others at 200k+ aren't double taxed in a similar situations. Your claim of double taxing is stupid.2.) Do you believe the taxpayer should cover nanny costs during future fundraisers and campaign events?No that's the Party's responsibility.Did they? . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote
Bonam Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 The PM gets a salary. Let him use it on the things his family needs (like childcare), just like everyone else. Unlike everyone else, his family's biggest expense (residence) is already paid for. Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) lol So you want a taped admission by the former PM? I'd really like to see Mulroney interviewed on this now.I wonder if he'll weasel and lie like he did then? :-) . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I don't care if the Trudeau's have nannies or not, that's their business. Explain to me, why do two people the Trudeau's employed previously all of a sudden become our responsibility? Their cook and housekeepers became our responsibility. . Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 You didn't answer the question. Neither did you. Tell me again about the last time you looked after three young children. Lol Quote
Martin Chriton Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) >If not, do you support changing the tax code so that others at 200k+ aren't double taxed in a similar situations. Your claim of double taxing is stupid. How is it stupid? How is it not stupid to tax nanny dollars at 65-70%. This policy reduces the affordablity hence reducing employment and also encourages folks to pay under the table. Furthermore, it's almost certain Juston won't be paying tax on his nanny benefit, so why should others at 200k+ be paying double tax? Edited December 2, 2015 by Martin Chriton Quote
msj Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Don't know but when it comes to looking after his own children, he is doing the opposite of what he said during the election. Specifically, what part of the platform? He is still expected to end the UCCB which means that he will also be out that money. He is expected to end the family tax cut which means that he will not save that $2,000. He is expected to raise the top rate to 33% which means he will have some income taxed at that rate. His CTB changes will mean that his income is too high to receive any of those benefits. When did he say that he would not have the assistance of a personal chef, maid service, maintenance services or nannies? It's part of the pay package. The pay package is ridiculously underpaid and has been for a long period of time regardless of which @$$hole is in power. So, Trudeau should revamp the rules - increase the pay package and pay for the nannies out of his own pocket. He should also increase the child care limit deductions for all taxpayers up to a higher level. Until that time, he can work within the existing rules because it is appropriate and life is not "fair" so so sad, too bad. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 It's wrong to expect a mother who has no job to take care of her kids? When she is representing Canada as the equivalent of a "first lady" then I don't think it is wrong. Either way, it's unpaid work. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Moonlight Graham Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 It's surprising people want the job as it is. There is a certain pride in our institutions that seem to be lacking in a comment like this. The PM is not you, and should not live like you. Surprising somebody wants to be the most powerful person in the country and will be remembered for eternity for serving their country? Pride doesn't haven't to come with swank and luxury. What pride did Chretien or Harper show in our institutions with their arrogance and entitled elitism that led to their defeat? I'd rather our PM impress foreign dignitaries with his ideas than with his luxury. On Gandhi showing up to meet His Majesty King Edward VII of England in just a loincloth, a reporter wondered aloud if this was disrespectful to the king. Gandhi replied simply, "The King was wearing enough for the both of us." Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Disgusted Don Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Wow! Entitled rich kid deception record! I THINK JUSTIN OWNES IT NOW!!! It only took Justin hours if not a few days to get this cabinet to agree to his request for two "personal assistance".....AKA NANNIES! Guess his wife isn't like the other 99% of Canadian Mom's or Mom's and Dad's that take care of their own children! Too many brunches and nails to be done for this entitled wife!! So basically the whole liberal party was in on it. Just another Liberal Deception full of lies and entitlement. "Tell the Canadian voter what then wanted to hear"! Isn't that a rich person thing! What type of change did the Canadian voter want? I don't believe it was lies and deception! The complete contradiction of one of the Liberals major platform promises...to take the child family credit away from the rich that didn't need it! But two nannies paid by for by the taxpayer for Justin..... Mmmmm sounds like a major contradiction/deception to me? And listed as personal assistants......more liberal lies & deceptions! And within days of being sworn into government! What will they do after a few months or years!! If integrity, honestly & transparency was truly a Liberal promise wouldn't this call for Justin's resignation! This spat in the face of transparence and change! Canadians you are in trouble! speak up NOW! This government needs to be stopped! I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian. This government is a global joke! And Justin's team will continue to lie and deceive the Canadian people until, in four years, his embarrassing time is DONE! Canadian's should call for his resignation now......before this fraud does more damage! Quote
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 The PM gets a salary. Let him use it on the things his family needs (like childcare), just like everyone else. Unlike everyone else, his family's biggest expense (residence) is already paid for. That's not their residence. Generally, they have another one that they have to, you know, pay for. Quote
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Surprising somebody wants to be the most powerful person in the country and will be remembered for eternity for serving their country? And that's just it - you don't like the idea that they have power. They do, the represent us, and they're compensated and imaged accordingly. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I agree. We can pay her by covering her half of child care costs, and we can cover Justin's half too, since he is too busy working overtime for us to do his fair share. . You never actually told me what she does for a living as the PM's wife as required by her position that would even require payment. Second, why should we pay Justin's half when he gets paid wealthy sums? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Disgusted Don Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I keep hearing that the rich will pay more the 33%! But have never heard what that % will actually be!! they've listed all other tax payers new %'s but not the elete......so that says it's secret nd won't be different! Complete deception? Justin has shown his will protect the rich as he's done himself like his make the tax payer pay for his team of Nannies! Wake up Canada! YOU"VE been scammed! Quote
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) I keep hearing that the rich will pay more the 33%! What? The 'rich' (those that make over $200K) are to pay 33% on their income above $200K. Edited December 2, 2015 by Smallc Quote
dialamah Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I keep hearing that the rich will pay more the 33%! But have never heard what that % will actually be!! they've listed all other tax payers new %'s but not the elete......so that says it's secret nd won't be different! Complete deception? Justin has shown his will protect the rich as he's done himself like his make the tax payer pay for his team of Nannies! Wake up Canada! YOU"VE been scammed! When people include all the other taxes we *all* pay aside from income tax, some rich people will pay 50%+ on a portion of their income. Quote
Big Guy Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) We pay our Prime Ministers far too much and give them too many perks! That job is just not worth that kind of salary. Now baseball is more indicative of fair pay for fair work. David Price is a baseball pitcher who just signed a new contract. For the next seven years, he will receive about $1 million for every baseball game he starts - win or lose. Maybe our Prime Ministers should work on their "pitches". Edited December 2, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonlight Graham Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 And that's just it - you don't like the idea that they have power. They do, the represent us, and they're compensated and imaged accordingly. Imaged accordingly? How do I not like the idea they have power? Of course they need to have power, they're the PM! Give them a very good salary since they have a very tough job that has high requirements, maybe you could even pay them more than they make now to attract better people to the position. Give them what they need to perform their job. But why do we have to wait on them hand and foot like they're gods or royalty? The PM is a public servant and represents the people. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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