Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 The precedent was set with Trudeau the first and Mulroney. Why should Justin be any different? Why should Trudeau be any different than Mulroney? Did you just say that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Mulroney had his nanny money, and so does Trudeau. I would like my PM to concentrate on all the promises he's made, rather than worrying about who's babysitting his kids tonight. It's an expense that quite honestly, is more than fully justified and needed. Mulroney didn't have nanny money except what he stole. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Ah ... But since he has a/spouse, she's expected to do the work for free AND pay for her own child care while she's doing it? Do you even hear yourself? . Do You? One more time: do you support the proposal to pay Laureen Harper back pay for how she was unfairly exploited in having to raise her own children while working as the spouse of the PM? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) he Canadian Press reported again in November of that year that Mulroney's chief of staff, Fred Doucet, denied the family employed a government-paid nanny while Mulroney was opposition leader, saying the woman was actually a maid who "interfaces with the children in a habitual way." How is this proof he had a nanny? He had a housekeeper. Fine. I'm sure that on occasion she had some responsibilities with regard to the kids, but that didn't make her a nanny. Edited December 2, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Now, if she does actually work why not pay her? I agree. We can pay her by covering her half of child care costs, and we can cover Justin's half too, since he is too busy working overtime for us to do his fair share. . Quote
Rue Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Trudeau's imperial let the masses pay for me approach was always there. If some of you could not decipher this man as a narcissistic, spoiled, self-centered, let them eat cake baboon its your problem and boy will it be. This is a serial liar and they will flow reflecting his disconnect from the very middle class he claims to represent in his fantasy world where he is the messiah. Two baby sitters. Hah. This is someone born wih a silver spoon who will expect you to pay. His Lord Faunteroy behaviour has just begun. His arrogance and contempt? Well for someone to say he had to work 3 times as hard as others and blew people away doing it as son of the PM is a starter. This is a dimb wit who barely managed an under grad degree and was a part-time not even full time drama teacher. That s the extent of his work experience and education. He enrolled in engineering school at McGill using his father's name, and flunked out. Go on go find out. Now let's get this clear about Mr. Drama Boy doesn't need a child tax credit but expects two not one nanny on taxpayer's expense. He stated Harper was not accountable to the people and made decisions without proper consultation and that would change with him. Hello who was watching the annoying, toad of a man McCallum yesterday with a sneer and a giggle saying oh by the way its 35-50 thousand refugees they are taking in hee hee giggle giggle. The cowards couldn't even admit their real refugee agenda and now they smoke screen it with a little side show to a refugee camp with 3 smiling Ministers, followed by this little oops let's just sneek in the new number. Where was the same press that said Harper was arrogant and made decisions without telling people hmm? Where were they with the giggling smarmy McCallum oopsy doubling the number of refugees and not only doing that but now saying its the UN doing the screening. What bull sheeyit lying is this? Screening? Who is doing the screening. What does it mean the UN is doing it? Who the phack is the UN do any of you know? This is just the beginning of a fantasy rich boy using the PM office to diddle with the country until what he has a melt down or get's bored and quits in a huff. That is what narcissists do, and that is eventually what Lord Justin of Trudeau will do. When Camelot is finished playing Prince, and he can't assuage his ego anymore, he will walk off leaving a mess behind. Let them eat cake with Mari Atoinette has started. All that is missing from Justin is a powdered wig, a larger beauty mark on his cheek, rouge, lipstick, and some dancing jesters walking by his side. He belongs in a Fellini movie. Oh wait he has his court jesters t in McCallum and his Defence and Health Ministers from what I have seen. McCallum looks so much like a flying monkey from the Wizard of Oz for bloody sakes. The resemblance is outstanding. Fly my little pretties fly. Trudeau is no Wizard of Oz. He's a munchkin on steroids. Edited December 2, 2015 by Rue Quote
Boges Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Ah ... But since he has a/spouse, she's expected to do the work for free AND pay for her own child care while she's doing it? Do you even hear yourself? . Why is she expected to work for free? What is her job description? Is this expectation in writing somewhere? Provide some citation that a spouse/partner of the PM has to volunteer to do anything. What if she had no kids and a career of her own? Edited December 2, 2015 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) His job is easier? On what planet? He didn't need it because he wasn't the active executive of a country. He's had these nannies for a while now. He used to pay for them himself. Now we pay for them. Why the hell should we? Doesn't he have a wife? Doesn't she have basically nothing to do all day, especially since there's a staff to clean up the house, a cook to take care of meals, and drivers to drive her kids around? Edited December 2, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 So ... we're going to start paying his wife when her presence is required ? We're getting off cheap just paying her child care expenses! . His wife has no official responsibilities. She can accompany him during social occasions, as do the wives of many other men who have social responsibilities which come with their jobs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Trudeau's imperial let the masses pay for me approach was always there.LIke when he travelled on the government dime while an MP , en route to his paid speaking engagements?. Of course, he eventually and tearfully paid that wee bit of larceny back, after he got caught . Just like Mike Duffy. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 He's the PM of the country.... he gets a few more perks than the average Joe.... what a shocker. I'm sure Harper could afford a car.... he was still driven around in a limo. This is an idiotic comparison. The PM has to be driven around, because of his job. Likewise the official residence comes with the job, so we pay for a cook and cleaning staff. Security staff is paid for, as well. Raising children is not part of the job title. That's on him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 So you're saying that Trudeau will not pay any tax at the rate of 33% like he has proposed? You're also saying that Trudeau will receive the UCCB after he has cancelled it and replaced it with his enhanced (or whatever he is calling it) CTB for which he will not be eligible as his income will be too high? You're also saying that Trudeau is not going to donate the UCCB that he has received to charity? Don't know but when it comes to looking after his own children, he is doing the opposite of what he said during the election. As someone else said, British PM's (a Conservative at the moment) pay for their own nannies. What makes our PM so special? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 If I recall, Harper had a makeup artist on staff. Cite? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Why should Trudeau be any different than Mulroney? Did you just say that? If that's what you think I said, I'll let you think it. Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Oh ya because having nice looking grounds is certainly higher priority than taking good care of children while their parents are working for us, one of them working for free!! The grounds belong to us, the kids belong to him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 As someone else said, British PM's (a Conservative at the moment) pay for their own nannies. What makes our PM so special? As of right now, the British PM sometimes has to fly coach (though that's finally changing). I don't think that's a good example. Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 If that's what you think I said, I'll let you think it. So because Mulroney was a thief you're okay with Trudeau stealing money, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Which are completely arbitrary. Is free nanny care written in the constitution? You seem to think the position should be a swanky affair akin to Canadian royalty-lite. I'm completely against that. Obviously there's unavoidable benefits, but he should otherwise live as closely to the regular populace as possible. The PM will do a better job deciding child care benefits when he actually has to pay for them himself. If I could do a do-over, I'd never give the PM a huge swanky 35-room mansion to live in for free either, I'd give him a decent 2-story with a nice dining room to host guests...whatever is needed to do his job (and I'd make him pay some modest rent). If he has to host anything larger on occasion, there's many banquet halls available around Ottawa. Wow, I would feel so humiliated if this was how we treated our PM. I cannot imagine the life of a politician, or politician's wife either. Constant public scrutiny, and a whole cadre of people just itching to criticize about things both important and petty. That alone would discourage me from public life, never mind the responsibility inherent in the position - making decisions that affect millions of people, and maybe even influence world events. People who are willing to take on all that shit deserve a few tax-payer paid perks, imo. Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 As of right now, the British PM sometimes has to fly coach (though that's finally changing). I don't think that's a good example. Do you have any idea how much the US taxpayer pays to fund Obama's child care expenses? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Cite? her airfare and accommodation costs are still listed under the Prime Minister’s travel budget. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/the-high-cost-of-making-stephen-harper-look-ordinary Apparently her salary was not paid by the government. Quote
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 So because Mulroney was a thief you're okay with Trudeau stealing money, too. See the comment you responded to. Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) How is this proof he had a nanny? He had a housekeeper. Fine. I'm sure that on occasion she had some responsibilities with regard to the kids, but that didn't make her a nanny. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25332-trudeau-childrens-nannies-being-paid-for-by-taxpayers/?p=1121350Who leaves their kids with a housekeeper, untrained and unscreened for child care? Nobody. . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 It's more than a little pathetic to see the lick-spittle grovelling of liberals on this board on an issue where Trudeau is clearly being both hypocritical, and helping himself to taxpayer money without justification. Some of them sound like whatever Trudeau wants, whatever perks he decides on, is fine with them. It's like they're so in awe of his smiley face and pretty hair they don't care what he does or says. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 You seem to think the position should be a swanky affair akin to Canadian royalty-lite. I'm completely against that. Obviously there's unavoidable benefits, but he should otherwise live as closely to the regular populace as possible. The PM will do a better job deciding child care benefits when he actually has to pay for them himself. If I could do a do-over, I'd never give the PM a huge swanky 35-room mansion to live in for free either, I'd give him a decent 2-story with a nice dining room to host guests...whatever is needed to do his job (and I'd make him pay some modest rent). If he has to host anything larger on occasion, there's many banquet halls available around Ottawa. It's surprising people want the job as it is. There is a certain pride in our institutions that seem to be lacking in a comment like this. The PM is not you, and should not live like you. Quote
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 her airfare and accommodation costs are still listed under the Prime Minister’s travel budget. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/the-high-cost-of-making-stephen-harper-look-ordinary Apparently her salary was not paid by the government. So he didn't have her paid for by taxpayers. I'm not complaining when Trudeau flies his wife and kids around on our dime either. I'm complaining that he's taking two of his servants and putting them on the public dime because his wife is too lazy and self-indulgent to look after them herself. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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