Judge: RCMP May Have Abetted Terrorist Act

[jacee]

Yeah I heard same thing, but I think it was based in part on a case in the U.S. of A, where a black guy was targeted because someone had a 'terrorist' quota to fill. I forget the details of that story. I believe the idea that our two drug-addled terrorists were a political scheme was floated on a talk-radio show.

But hey -- maybe the 240 RCMP made their aid so over-the-top just so these two wouldn't be convicted, but they'd still prove Canada was tough on terrorists. I'm sure there's a conspiracy here somewhere.

Those two couldn't even come up with a feasible idea on their own!

It will be interesting to see what the judge says about entrapment.

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Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

Are there any credible sources that detail the police involvement?

Judgement on entrapment coming soon, already looking bad for the RCMP:

b-c-judge-says-theres-evidence-rcmp-may-be-guilty-of-knowingly-facilitating-a-terrorist-act

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[eyeball]

So the RCMP are basically on the verge of being being found guilty of attempting to sow fear in the public to achieve a political end, terrorism in other words.

Following this I'd like to know how far their network of support extends and I'd especially like to know who radicalized them. We need to root out the causes of terrorism not waste our time analyzing them.

[jacee]

So the RCMP are basically on the verge of being being found guilty of attempting to sow fear in the public to achieve a political end, terrorism in other words.

Following this I'd like to know how far their network of support extends and I'd especially like to know who radicalized them. We need to root out the causes of terrorism not waste our time analyzing them.

That's an interesting take on it eyeball.

What would the RCMP gain by creating fear in the public ... terrorizing people?

More toys?

And 'who radicalized the RCMP into becoming terrorists ... and why?

I am reminded of the RCMP's hysterical report on 'terrorist threats' in Canada:

RCMP claim of B.C. anti-pipeline extremists shocks native, environmental leaders

I wonder if the RCMP hysteria will die down now that Harper's gone ...?

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[eyeball]

I wonder if the RCMP hysteria will die down now that Harper's gone ...?

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Never...They're just one facet of a larger security - industrial complex that operates no differently than a military - industrial complex. It's actually the same old complex with a new marketing shtick is all.

[eyeball]

Fear sells.

[jacee]

Fear sells.

But what's in it for the RCMP officers involved?

They're now on the hook for entrappment!

And I don't think they're ... 'winning'!

[eyeball]

But what's in it for the RCMP officers involved?

They're now on the hook for entrappment!

And I don't think they're ... 'winning'!

Not much. They're really no different than our hapless soldiers that are left hanging out to dry after the politicians have gone. They never learn either. You have to go after the culprits in charge, the politicians.

But that's where we never learn.

Edited December 3, 2015 by eyeball

[ReeferMadness]

The latest on this sad case. Martha Devlin, a crown lawyer on the file (and now a BC Supreme Court justice), cast doubt on Nuttall as a terrorist, dismissing him as "a nut".

“This guy is really a nut. Not sure there’s anything here,” the lawyer wrote. “My impression is he has no plan and just sort of makes stuff up.”

[ReeferMadness]

But what's in it for the RCMP officers involved?

They're now on the hook for entrappment!

And I don't think they're ... 'winning'!

I'm guessing they got involved and once they had committed resources to it, they were embarrassed to admit they had wasted resources chasing a pair of half wits.

[jacee]

Not much. They're really no different than our hapless soldiers that are left hanging out to dry after the politicians have gone. They never learn either. You have to go after the culprits in charge, the politicians.

I understand that's where the orders came from. U S of A wanted Canada to nab some terrorists before they leaked across the border.

So the cops had to make some up.

A jury found the couple guilty last year, but their convictions are on hold while defence lawyers argue they would never have carried out their plans without help from police.

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Edited January 14, 2016 by jacee

[The_Squid]

I understand that's where the orders came from. U S of A wanted Canada to nab some terrorists before they leaked across the border.

So the cops had to make some up.

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Please provide a cite for your claim about America's involvement in this case.

Edited January 14, 2016 by The_Squid

[jacee]

Please provide a cite for your claim about America's involvement in this case.

I don't remember where I read it. Sorry.

It had to do with a trade agreement and US demands that Canada all the terrorists leaking across the border to the US.

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[The_Squid]

I don't remember where I read it. Sorry.

It had to do with a trade agreement and US demands that Canada all the terrorists leaking across the border to the US.

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Without a cite, it's a load of bunk.

[jacee]

Without a cite, it's a load of bunk.

You think the police take the risk of entrapping suggestible people into planting bombs just for fun?

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[The_Squid]

You think the police take the risk of entrapping suggestible people into planting bombs just for fun?

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No. But even if I think it isn't just for fun, I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that the USA told Canada to "arrest some terrorists". That's quite a leap of logic you made there.

The only 2 options are not just

1 - fun or;

2 - the USA told the RCMP to frame them.

Edited January 16, 2016 by The_Squid

[jacee]

No. But even if I think it isn't just for fun, I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that the USA told Canada to "arrest some terrorists". That's quite a leap of logic you made there.

The only 2 options are not just

1 - fun or;

2 - the USA told the RCMP to frame them.

The context:

eyeball, on 03 Dec 2015 - 3:49 PM, said:

They're really no different than our hapless soldiers that are left hanging out to dry after the politicians have gone. They never learn either. You have to go after the culprits in charge, the politicians.

And "the politicians" apparently wanted some "terrorists" arrested ... even if they had to be 'created' first.

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/351554521.html?mobile=true

"In this case there is evidence that the RCMPs actions during Project Souvenir constituted the offence of facilitation of a terrorist activity," said Justice Catherine Bruce in her Nov. 17 finding in response to a defence application for all legal opinions provided to the RCMP during the investigation.

And the 'entrapment' trial is now getting closer to the information about involvement from outside the RCMP:

CSIS may have incited B.C. couple to commit terrorist act: lawyer

To be continued ...

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Edited January 16, 2016 by jacee

[PIK]

Why did these 2 not go to the police with the story that someone wanted them to blow something up? Instead they went along with the plan. Was it dirty ,yes it was. Were these 2 idiots and a possible threat down the road if someone else got to them, yes. Should they go to jail, yes.

[dialamah]

Why did these 2 not go to the police with the story that someone wanted them to blow something up? Instead they went along with the plan. Was it dirty ,yes it was. Were these 2 idiots and a possible threat down the road if someone else got to them, yes. Should they go to jail, yes.

Why should the police get away with manipulating two people who aren't very bright and who are also drug addicts?

[jacee]

They may not.

This is interesting:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-terrorists-could-be-set-free-if-its-proven-rcmp-helped-facilitate-planned-bombing

VANCOUVER The first thing I did is, when I converted, accused terrorist John Nuttall told an undercover RCMP officer, my first question was, OK, how do I do the five prayers, how do I worship Allah?

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My second question was, where is my gun, lets go jihad, Nuttall told the undercover Mountie, posing as a wealthy Islamist, in their June 6, 2013 conversation. And I went to every mosque and they all shunned me, you know. They shunned me, they shunned me and they, some of them even called the police on me.

Now we know how the police learned about him.

Looks like the police were the only ones willing to show him how to 'jihad'.Lol

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[GostHacked]

But what's in it for the RCMP officers involved?

They're now on the hook for entrappment!

And I don't think they're ... 'winning'!

They were just following orders.

Also brings into question the Toronto 17 who were infiltrated and mainly guided/controlled by Canadian intelligence services along with the RCMP. \how many times has this happened? The effect is that the public gets behind combating terrorism when it seems that our RCMP and others are doing more to terrorize citizens to promote some kind of agenda.

[jacee]

They were just following orders.

They are only required to follow "legal" orders.

Entrapment is not legal.

Also brings into question the Toronto 17 who were infiltrated and mainly guided/controlled by Canadian intelligence services along with the RCMP. \how many times has this happened? The effect is that the public gets behind combating terrorism when it seems that our RCMP and others are doing more to terrorize citizens to promote some kind of agenda.

Yes it does. And meanwhile they 'missed' two unbalanced and dangerous people who did kill.

The Toronto 17(18?) ... the issue of possible entrapment did come up, but it seems to me that there was more evidence in that case that at least some of them did have the capacity to cause some damage on their own. However, I'm not sure that there was a full investigation of that either.

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Edited January 17, 2016 by jacee

[ReeferMadness]

This gets shadier and shadier. CSIS was involved and is trying to keep the case under wraps.

And Nuttall was known to the police as someone with mental health issues.

In 2012, Surrey RCMP dealt with Nuttall as a nuisance with mental health issues.

By 2013, he had somehow become a serious threat to national security requiring expensive CSIS and RCMP operations: “Work the file hard,” Bond was told. Why?

Instead, individuals such as Nuttall and Korody look like they are being targeted because their prosecution supports the dominant political narrative about the rise of the lone-wolf terror threat and the need for greater state surveillance.