DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) It could very well be the one your site interprets as the violent one. I have no connection to the website. It's not 'mine'. http://quran.com/about Edited February 5, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Jewish Canadians, remarkably, are more than 10 times as likely to be the victim of a hate crime than Muslim Canadians I'm going to go out on a limb and guess most of those who commit anti-Semitic hate crimes are Muslims and progressives. http://www.the10and3.com/which-canadians-are-most-likely-to-be-the-victims-of-hate-crimes/ This is one of the stupidest claims I've ever seen made. The vast majority of Muslim hate crimes are from white nationalists who fancy themselves neo-nazis. Care to back up your absurd claim that it's "progressives" and "Muslims" in Canada committing hate crimes? Especially in light of the fact that right wing radicals are a far bigger problem than terrorism? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/03/15/csis-highlights-white-supremacist-threat-ahead-of-radical-islam.htmlIn the last months you've really stepped up the bs conjecture that is not supported by anything in reality. These posts of yours are nothing more than baiting and trolling, but then you turn around and whine to the mods about people trolling you.
cybercoma Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Cyber own up to your comments.I will own up to them when you actually refer to them instead of attributing to me a bunch of bs you make up.
dialamah Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 So I am allowed to pick and choose which of Allah's commands to follow and those to ignore? You mean you aren't already???
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) You mean you aren't already??? So can you answer or are you going to capitulate? "Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not."http://quran.com/2/216 Edited February 6, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Posted February 6, 2016 There are extreme Muslim imams and then there are extreme Christian pastors. They both have supporters, but of course, in reality, they don't reflect the thoughts and ideas of the majority. Imagine the uproar by the Shady's and Argus' if this guy was a Muslim: Link (I dare you to get through the whole video) When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
kimmy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Arguing about the actual contents of the Quran is really unproductive (and getting really tedious, as well.) PorchDog, I'd suggest that if you're really interested in the subject, perhaps starting a new thread in the Religion section would be the way to go. The contents of the book isn't what matters. It's the contents of the followers' heads that matters. And it's ludicrous to suggest that all Muslims are the same in terms of their outlook or the extent to which they incorporate their faith into their day to day life. . -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 It's not so much arguing as me pointing out EXACTLY what the Quran/Hadiths say and then several people denying it and claiming "my site" is ISIS linked and I'm a bigot, etc. Yeah...right. Tedious. If Islam is such a damn fine religion, it should be able to stand-up to the likes of me without it needing coddling and protection. Islamophobia...meh! Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 It's not so much arguing as me pointing out EXACTLY what the Quran/Hadiths say and then several people denying it and claiming "my site" is ISIS linked and I'm a bigot, etc. Yeah...right. Tedious. If Islam is such a damn fine religion, it should be able to stand-up to the likes of me without it needing coddling and protection. Islamophobia...meh! Not denying, simply pointing out that there are various interpretations, and it's outside your jurisdiction to decide which one is correct.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Not denying, simply pointing out that there are various interpretations, and it's outside your jurisdiction to decide which one is correct. As it is yours. Where was today's Islamic terrorist attack/rape/assault/etc? Any clues? You know there was at least one SOMEWHERE. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 As it is yours. Where was today's Islamic terrorist attack/rape/assault/etc? Any clues? You know there was at least one SOMEWHERE. That's quite the feeble deflection attempt. And it didn't work.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Plus...I suppose that's a problem. None of the posters keen on crying bigot and claiming Islam = Peace are capable of producing this so-called peaceful version of the Quran that I'm so callously overlooking. This apparently site is apparently incorrect... http://quran.com/ #1 on the list re Google Search. Edited February 6, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 That's quite the feeble deflection attempt. And it didn't work. I'm sure you'd deny Islam doing anything anywhere. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 I'm sure you'd deny Islam doing anything anywhere. Come on, you can do better than that?
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Perhaps I can. You can not...thus the lack of 'debate' as to what the Quran actually says. You know you have a losing horse... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Perhaps I can. You can not...thus the lack of 'debate' as to what the Quran actually says. You know you have a losing horse... What the Quran actually says and the interpretation you decide on this week is perhaps interesting, but not definitive. Sorry, your horse loses again.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 What the Quran actually says and the interpretation you decide on this week is perhaps interesting, but not definitive. Sorry, your horse loses again. I haven't 'decided' on any translation of the Quran. The site provide has every translation of the Quran. You decide which one is the peaceful one I should be paying attention to to avoid Islamophobia. But you can't...or won't. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 I haven't 'decided' on any translation of the Quran. The site provide has every translation of the Quran. You decide which one is the peaceful one I should be paying attention to to avoid Islamophobia. But you can't...or won't. I never assumed to pick one over the other. You seem to have done so. You get messed up with the acts of individuals and attempt to apply their motives to a complete culture. That's maybe why you choose a particular interpretation of the Quran that suits your motive.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) I never assumed to pick one over the other. You seem to have done so. You get messed up with the acts of individuals and attempt to apply their motives to a complete culture. That's maybe why you choose a particular interpretation of the Quran that suits your motive. You haven't read the Quran. I have. Edited February 6, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Question - "What religion are you?". Answer - "I am Roman Catholic". Question - "Do you believe in and/or practiced sex before marriage?" Answer - "Yes". Question - "Do you go to church every Sunday?" Answer - "No." Question - "Do you use contraceptives?" Answer - "Yes." Question - "Do you believe in abortion?" Answer - "Yes." Question - "Do you go to confession and take communion when you go to church?" Answer - "No." But these are the major tenets of the Catholic Church. I suggest that is the conversation one could have with the majority of Catholics. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) I'm sure you'd deny Islam doing anything anywhere.Islam is a just a thing and its what people do with things that matter. For someone who is fond of forever reminding everyone Islam is not a race you've nonetheless given it so much life its become real to you.You not having any belief in something is no guarantee the belief still won't have you. Give your head a shake. Edited February 6, 2016 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) It's not so much arguing as me pointing out EXACTLY what the Quran/Hadiths say and then several people denying it and claiming "my site" is ISIS linked and I'm a bigot, etc. Yeah...right. Tedious. If Islam is such a damn fine religion, it should be able to stand-up to the likes of me without it needing coddling and protection. Islamophobia...meh! Nobody is denying that the Quran contains violent passages. What I am saying is that it ALSO contains peaceful passages. Nobody has said that you are using an ISIS linked site. What I am saying is that you and ISIS BOTH choose the violent passages to define what the Quran's main message is, while other people choose the peaceful passages to define what the Quran's main messages is. The Quran, as written, is less violent than the Bible and otherwise teaches many of the same principles as the Bible does. Men read what they want from either book, and then base their life on what they deem the most important messages from that book. Thus, we have violent, intolerant Islamists and violent, intolerant Christians as well as peaceful and tolerant people from both 'books'. Sorry you don't get the above. I don't know if its because you really aren't able to grasp what most people seem to understand easily, or if if you just like the attention of unending argument about it, but I'm done here. Edited February 6, 2016 by dialamah
Guest Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Question - "What religion are you?". Answer - "I am Roman Catholic". Question - "Do you believe in and/or practiced sex before marriage?" Answer - "Yes". Question - "Do you go to church every Sunday?" Answer - "No." Question - "Do you use contraceptives?" Answer - "Yes." Question - "Do you believe in abortion?" Answer - "Yes." Question - "Do you go to confession and take communion when you go to church?" Answer - "No." But these are the major tenets of the Catholic Church. I suggest that is the conversation one could have with the majority of Catholics. Question - Why did you shoot that Protestant? Answer - Because I'm a Catholic. It's really only up to the person doing the interpreting. If they say they did it because of their religion, then they did. (granted the example above doesn't happen as often as some other religiously motivated crimes, but the principle is the same)
Guest Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) The Quran, as written, is less violent than the Bible and otherwise teaches many of the same principles as the Bible does. Men read what they want from either book, and then base their life on what they deem the most important messages from that book. Thus, we have violent, intolerant Islamists and violent, intolerant Christians as well as peaceful and tolerant people from both 'books'. This is absolutely correct, but it is understood, that currently, there are far, far more of the former than the latter, correct? Far, far more of them than any other religion, not just Christianity. I think that's where the logjam is. Everyone can agree what evil religions are capable of bringing out in people. It's just that right now, the lion's share of religious evil belongs to one religion alone. (And I include the basic, everyday evil in that as well as the more spectacular, newsworthy evil) Edited February 6, 2016 by bcsapper
dialamah Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 This is absolutely correct, but it is understood, that currently, there are far, far more of the former than the latter, correct? Far, far more of them than any other religion, not just Christianity. I think that's where the logjam is. Everyone can agree what evil religions are capable of bringing out in people. It's just that right now, the lion's share of religious evil belongs to one religion alone. (And I include the basic, everyday evil in that as well as the more spectacular, newsworthy evil) Judging by news reports, Islamic extremists are definitely the most active. But also, I've found out that all over the world there are Christian extremists who behave similarly as does ISIS and similar, but we don't hear about them because they're targetting people who aren't white/don't live in Western countries. Even in the States, terror activity by non-Islamists is a lot more common than Islamic terrorism, but again, the perception is very different thanks to what the news media focuses on. So, while I can't agree with you wholeheartedly, I can't disagree either.
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