cybercoma Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 Trudeau has invited Elizabeth May, as well as the other federal party leaders, to the climate summit in Paris. He also extended the invitation to the premiers of provinces that will not be holding elections this fall. This stands in stark contrast to the previous government that only sent party delegates to these summits. In fact, May attended the summit in 2013 as a delegate from Afghanistan, in order to be involved in the negotiations. She said that the Harper government made her "an environmental refugee." Story here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-invites-may-other-leaders-to-join-un-climate-summit-delegation-1.2625763#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=6LrS0YG
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) She said that the Harper government made her "an environmental refugee.She has delusions of grandeur. These summits are a complete waste of the time that offer no "solutions" to the stated problem and only seek to exploit it as a means to extort money from developed countries in order to fill Swiss bank accounts of third world dictators. It is an embarrassment for Canada that Trudeau is wasting his time with such shameless posturing. Edited October 24, 2015 by TimG
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 Trudeau has invited Elizabeth May, as well as the other federal party leaders, to the climate summit in Paris. He also extended the invitation to the premiers of provinces that will not be holding elections this fall. This stands in stark contrast to the previous government that only sent party delegates to these summits. In fact, May attended the summit in 2013 as a delegate from Afghanistan, in order to be involved in the negotiations. She said that the Harper government made her "an environmental refugee." Story here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-invites-may-other-leaders-to-join-un-climate-summit-delegation-1.2625763#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=6LrS0YG Maybe they will get a chance to discuss her becoming his environment minister.
Michael Hardner Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 I'm pleasantly shocked. Even if it's posturing, it will be hard for him to move away from this symbolic gesture moving forward. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Posted October 24, 2015 It is an embarrassment for Canada that Trudeau is wasting his time with such shameless posturing.Funny you should say that. I don't know if you live in an echo chamber or what, but it's pretty widely recognized that Canada's loss of international influence and our international embarrassment comes at least in part from our about face on being a driving force behind worldwide climate change initiatives.
Big Guy Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 She has delusions of grandeur. These summits are a complete waste of the time that offer no "solutions" to the stated problem and only seek to exploit it as a means to extort money from developed countries in order to fill Swiss bank accounts of third world dictators. It is an embarrassment for Canada that Trudeau is wasting his time with such shameless posturing. Wow. To consider attending an international conference on anything to be "shameless posturing"? Just what do you feel is the function of a government? I find this approach of sharing these conferences with others who are trying to find out how to do best for Canada to be refreshingly different. It may be an embarrassment to your Canada but a focus of pride to my Canada. Why not give this new sense of openness and transparency a chance? Trudeau can always later turn to the Harper methodology and barricade himself in Ottawa. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Posted October 24, 2015 Frankly, TimG, I don't even need to reply to you in this thread because I know what I'm going to get from you. It's the same story every time. 1) We should do nothing about climate change. 2) The IPCC is corrupt and makes up a bunch of nonsense. 2b) There's a secret cabal keeping anti-climate change science out of the literature. 3) Science doesn't matter in politics. You bore me with your anti-intellectualism broken record. And in any case, the thread is more about the federal government being more open and collaborative than it has been in the last decade than it is about specifically the climate summit.
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 it's pretty widely recognized that Canada's loss of international influence and our international embarrassmentThere is a chattering class that is obsessed with such issues, however, to suggest that such opinions extend beyond the narrow echo chamber where this chattering class resides is delusional at best. IOW, for every alarmist that was appalled at Harper's position there was a sceptic that cheered and 10 people who simply did not care.
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Wow. To consider attending an international conference on anything to be "shameless posturing"?It is nothing but posturing because nothing real can be accomplished at such forums: a peacock showing his feathers. It may be a function of the government to attend such events but trying to make a big deal out of it is "shameless posturing". It may be an embarrassment to your Canada but a focus of pride to my Canada.My comment was half tongue-in-cheek intended to mock those partisans who constantly whined about Harper "embarrassing Canada" when all he did was express opinions that they did not like. Edited October 24, 2015 by TimG
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) And in any case, the thread is more about the federal government being more open and collaborative than it has been in the last decade than it is about specifically the climate summit.It "collaborative" because at this point in time all of the invites are going to be singing from the Trudeau playbook (even the CPC leader would likely keep quiet out of politeness). Trudeau would not be so keen to have people in his entourage if they were out to undermine the position of the Canadian government as was the case for Harper. Edited October 24, 2015 by TimG
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 It "collaborative" because at this point in time all of the invites are going to be singing from the Trudeau playbook (even the CPC leader would likely keep quiet out of politeness). Trudeau would not be so keen to have people in his entourage if they were out to undermine the position of the Canadian government as was the case for Harper. The problem with the former Canadian government on this issue was they did't really have a position. That's why it got so embarrassing.
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) All of the invites? He invited the Conservative Party leader, Brad Wall who is a conservative with the Saskatchewan Party, and Paul Davis who is the Conservative premier of Newfoundland. So your notion that they'll all be singing from the Trudeau playbook is demonstrably wrong. Edit: And further still, Elizabeth May is hardly on the same page as the Liberals on climate, nor is the NDP. Edited October 24, 2015 by cybercoma
eyeball Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 These summits are a complete waste of the time that offer no "solutions" to the stated problem and only seek to exploit it as a means to extort money from developed countries in order to fill Swiss bank accounts of third world dictators. Where do you get this stuff? I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 All of the invites? He invited the Conservative Party leader, Brad Wall who is a conservative with the Saskatchewan Party, and Paul Davis who is the Conservative premier of Newfoundland. So your notion that they'll all be singing from the Trudeau playbook is demonstrably wrong.Well, unlike people who disagree Harper, people who disagree with Trudeau tend to be more polite about and would not seek to undermine Trudeau at the summit.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 She has delusions of grandeur. These summits are a complete waste of the time that offer no "solutions" Don't be so sure. Harper's out, Abbott is out, Obama is in, alarmism remains strong, and developed countries want money. There is a good change that significant CO2 emission reduction pledges and wealth transfers will be made. Canada's loss of international influence If the only way you can obtain international influence is by losing foreign policy by following what other countries do, then what is the point?
TimG Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 Don't be so sure. Harper's out, Abbott is out, Obama is in, alarmism remains strong, and developed countries want money. There is a good change that significant CO2 emission reduction pledges and wealth transfers will be made.Obama can't make any monetary promises because congress controls the budget. Trudeau could commit Canadian funds but that will have to come at the cost of abandoning some of his other spending promises. It will be a much greater embarrassment for Canada if Trudeau makes promises that Canada cannot keep.
PIK Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 Maybe trudeau will resign onto Kyoto and then offer to pay the 18 billion dollars harper saved us, by getting out., Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
hitops Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 I have to give him credit for inviting everyone. For sure the whole meeting is pointless, but it was a nice gesture.
Big Guy Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Paul Heinbecker is a former Ambassador to the United Nations and has some interesting views on how Harper has changed Canada's position in the world community: http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=734345 According to him, Trudeau is going to have his hands full in repairing the damage. Perhaps this conference is a start towards that goal. Edited October 24, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 I have to give him credit for inviting everyone. For sure the whole meeting is pointless, but it was a nice gesture. Yes. It gives me less reason to hate him. Which sort of pisses me off because I like to hate on Trudeau.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 ....It will be a much greater embarrassment for Canada if Trudeau makes promises that Canada cannot keep. No biggee...the previous ruling Liberals (Chretien/Martin) made lots of promises for Kyoto and promptly ignored the treaty. Appearances are far more important than substance. Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 No biggee...the previous ruling Liberals (Chretien/Martin) made lots of promises for Kyoto and promptly ignored the treaty. Appearances are far more important than substance. Chretien signed it, Harper abandoned it
poochy Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Chretien signed it, Harper abandoned itRight, the liberals** signed it, and promptly forgot about it, Harper carried on that tradition. As for the invites, it's just the usual liberal game of pretending to be inclusive while hoping your main adversary, the conservatives refuse to play along. So, and as usual, the only acceptable opinion is the liberal opinion, otherwise, you're just plain evil. Edited October 24, 2015 by Charles Anthony **corrected spelling "liebrals"
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Right, the liberals signed it, and promptly forgot about it, Harper carried on that tradition. As for the invites, it's just the usual liberal game of pretending to be inclusive while hoping your main adversary, the conservatives refuse to play along. So, and as usual, the only acceptable opinion is the liberal opinion, otherwise, you're just plain evil.Perhaps after the thrashing they took in the election, the conservatives will learn something about playing along. Edited October 24, 2015 by Charles Anthony **corrected spelling "liebrals"
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