Boges Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 The flight due in yul today will put the number over 2k, with at least 3 more flights due by year end. There are a lot of cogs in the wheel in this operation, but at least we are seeing some action. Splitting hairs over dates is just the right desperately trying to get back at JT for kicking their butts. But splitting hairs about dates was exactly what JT was doing during the election. Quote
Argus Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 And yes, as I'm assuming you do from your concern about broken promises, I think we need to take in a lot more refugees. Sure. I'm betting we can find plenty of desperate third world people who will do your job for half as much as you get, and be grateful for the opportunity, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Harper made a few claims, and then did nothing. Although that should be no surprise to anyone. Really? Haven't you guys been talking about all the Syrians who were already in the pipeline and been processed before JT got elected? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 I think the criticism is entirely valid given that Trudeau got up on his high horse, lifted his chin, and told everyone that Harper had no heart to only want to bring in 10,000 by the end of next year. He, Trudeau, and his party, were the party of caring, sharing, smiles and rainbows, who welcomed all, and he would bring in more than twice as many and do it with the snap of his fingers. Why? Because they cared more. Because they had bigger hearts than those nasty, suspicious, heartless tories. You expect us to ignore it when his self-righteous posturing is exposed for what it is? A month one way or another is probably not such a big deal if you have been in a refugee camp for years but somebody is finally doing something to help you. Quote
Bonam Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) You expect us to ignore it when his self-righteous posturing is exposed for what it is? There's that, and then there's the issue of making promises that bear no possible relation to reality. I welcome their willingness to be pragmatic and scale back their goals to something reasonable. But if they are in the habit of making promises that are a factor of 10x off... what does that say about their projected deficits and the time it might take to return to a balanced budget? Edited December 23, 2015 by Bonam Quote
Boges Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 A month one way or another is probably not such a big deal if you have been in a refugee camp for years but somebody is finally doing something to help you. It was during the election campaign. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 But splitting hairs about dates was exactly what JT was doing during the election.So lets stop splitting hairs and be happy the proper screening is being done as the plan moves forward. Quote
Boges Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) So lets stop splitting hairs and be happy the proper screening is being done as the plan moves forward. Does that pragmatism go away if there's a pic of another dead baby washed up on a beach. As long as we're clear that the Liberals are the party that'll say whatever they think people want to hear in order to get elected then I guess we can agree. Edited December 23, 2015 by Boges Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 23, 2015 Author Report Posted December 23, 2015 A month one way or another is probably not such a big deal if you have been in a refugee camp for years but somebody is finally doing something to help you. A month! You're not keeping up. They are missing their election promise by more than a year - at best! And now they've missed their revamped December 31 promise by over 75% - which simply makes a laughing-stock out of the revised Feb. 28 promise. So far on this issue, you can't believe anything these guys say. Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Seems JT isn't taking his claims seriously either. Why make a promise no one thinks you can keep unless he knows his base just responds to meaningless platitudes and all will be forgiven. Unless of course he knows that his supporters won't care how many promises he breaks. I asked very much the same question when the last government was in power and was told to be quiet because the adults were talking. What am I supposed to make of that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Does that pragmatism go away if there's a pic of another dead baby washed up on a beach. As long as we're clear that the Liberals are the party that'll say whatever they think people want to hear in order to get elected then I guess we can agree. What I am clear on is that it will be a while before the conservatives can point too many fingers at anyone after the last decade. And on this specific issue, at least we see planes landing with refugees on them. If it takes a little longer than originally planned, so be it. Quote
Boges Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 I asked very much the same question when the last government was in power and was told to be quiet because the adults were talking. What am I supposed to make of that? Governments of all stripes suck, I guess. You'd have to cite examples however. Quote
Big Guy Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Nope. Just holding them accountable for their centerpiece election promises. Listen - we're stuck with these guys for at least another 4 years so for Canada's sake, I hope they do well - and Canada does well. But other than a lot of pie-in-the-sky aspirations, this government is not off to a promising start. I do understand that you try to look impartially at the new government - one for which you have and had little support. This and every government should be monitored as to their commitment to what they promised to try to do. I guess what you consider to be their "centerpiece election promise" may not be what others consider to be their "centerpiece". I suggest it depends on the likes and wants of each individual, what their vision of Canada may be and what political party they currently support. I too am trying to keep track of those promises. I have found a site that you may find informative and interesting: https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/ It appears as impartial as any other that I can locate. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 There's that, and then there's the issue of making promises that bear no possible relation to reality. I welcome their willingness to be pragmatic and scale back their goals to something reasonable. But if they are in the habit of making promises that are a factor of 10x off... what does that say about their projected deficits and the time it might take to return to a balanced budget? I said before the election that there will not be a balanced budget from this government, and that their deficits would be much higher than they said. I feel no reason to believe I was wrong. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Sure. I'm betting we can find plenty of desperate third world people who will do your job for half as much as you get, and be grateful for the opportunity, too.What makes you so indispensable? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Governments of all stripes suck, I guess. You'd have to cite examples however. Income trusts. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 A month! You're not keeping up. They are missing their election promise by more than a year - at best! And now they've missed their revamped December 31 promise by over 75% - which simply makes a laughing-stock out of the revised Feb. 28 promise. So far on this issue, you can't believe anything these guys say.The end of February is hardly a year away. Quote
PIK Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 You will see him slowly change his policies more to what harper has said. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Keepitsimple Posted December 23, 2015 Author Report Posted December 23, 2015 The end of February is hardly a year away. You're confused by all the hokus-pokus around the targets. McCallum has admitted that the election promise of 25,000 government sponsored refugees by end of this year will not be met until the end of 2016 - at best. It's been posted several times. Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 What makes you so indispensable? This isn't about me and my job, it's about ordinary Canadians and theirs. it's simply indisputable that bringing in lots of people with low/no job skills makes it harder for lower skilled Canadians to find work, and drives down salaries and benefits. That tends to have a domino effect for some distance up the economic ladder. Way back when I was in college I worked part-time as a security guard. Most of the other security guards, esp the full time ones, were immigrants and refugees simply because that was all they could get. As a result, the security company got to pay low wages and treat everyone like crap because they had a list of eager job seekers. Why do you think corporate Canada is so supportive of heavy immigration anyway? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Why did you make it about my job and why are you so supportive of corporate Canada? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 You're confused by all the hokus-pokus around the targets. McCallum has admitted that the election promise of 25,000 government sponsored refugees by end of this year will not be met until the end of 2016 - at best. It's been posted several times. According to McCallum a few hours ago its still 25k by feb. Quote
dialamah Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 I want JT supporters to actually criticize the fact that his administration has been full of broken promises so far. Promises made: 196 Promises kept so far: 6 Promises "in progress": 12 Promises broken: 1 - welcoming 25,000 refugees by December 31 https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/ Perhaps the JT non-supporters could admit that so far he's made good progress on election promises. Although I suppose its more satisfying to take the one thing, blow that all out of proportion while ignoring the 18 things that he's following through with, even if you disagree with the promise itself. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 23, 2015 Author Report Posted December 23, 2015 According to McCallum a few hours ago its still 25k by feb. Again - you are confused with the constant moving of the goalposts. From The Star to clear things up for you: That’s when Immigration Minister John McCallum and other cabinet members admitted that the Liberals would, in fact, take more than a year to admit and process 25,000 government-sponsored Syrian refugees. Some 10,000 refugees will be admitted by Dec. 31 of this year. But many of those are privately sponsored and had already been partially vetted under the Conservative regime. Link: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/26/justin-trudeaus-backtracking-on-refugee-promise-casts-shadow-over-other-pledges-walkom.html Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Again - you are confused with the constant moving of the goalposts. From The Star to clear things up for you: Link: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/26/justin-trudeaus-backtracking-on-refugee-promise-casts-shadow-over-other-pledges-walkom.html Your article doesn't say that ad it's a bit out of date. Here's a more recent one to clear things up for you. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-syrian-refugees-update-year-end-1.3378261 Quote
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