Netanyahu: It was Mufti of Jerusalem who convinced Hitler to kill Jews

[Big Guy]

Wow, then you deny that 6 million were gassed. Somehow I'm not surprised. In other threads I've watched you belittle the holocaust, but you've been careful not to come out on one side or another on the belief question, but it's obvious. Thank you for your response.

Thank you for proving my point. I choose not to play those adolescent games of baiting, trolling or demeaning. If/when you have a serious question posted with courtesy then I will respond in kind.

I am not interested in your games.

[sharkman]

You most certainly are protecting them, msj. I wonder why. Looking at the facts here, you continually accuse me of "bait and switch" since you don't like my questions. Then report me, and you be the poster and let the mods be mods.

Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

You most certainly are protecting them, msj. I wonder why.

The most telling thing is you ignored Bryan's question.

[sharkman]

Thank you for proving my point. I choose not to play those adolescent games of baiting, trolling or demeaning. If/when you have a serious question posted with courtesy then I will respond in kind.

I am not interested in your games.

Ah, but your game here is transparent to anyone who can think critically.

[msj]

Ah, but your game here is transparent to anyone who can think critically.

What? That Netenyahu is an idiot as demonstrated by his asinine comment?

That he wants to play politics with the Holocaust to his advantage but has failed due to his asnineness?

Spell it out, man, for those of us who are unable to think critically.

[msj]

You most certainly are protecting them, msj. I wonder why. Looking at the facts here, you continually accuse me of "bait and switch" since you don't like my questions. Then report me, and you be the poster and let the mods be mods.

No need to report you for the following reasons:

1) Marcus has ignored you.

2) Big Guy has responded appropriately.

3) I have derived much enjoyment by this and at your expense.

4) The topic is moving on in a direction that is focussed on the issue at hand.

[sharkman]

What? That Netenyahu is an idiot as demonstrated by his asinine comment?

That he wants to play politics with the Holocaust to his advantage but has failed due to his asnineness?

Spell it out, man, for those of us who are unable to think critically.

1+1=2

No need to report me, and yet you repeatedly told me off last night. Sure, whatever.

Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman

[msj]

1+1=2

Are you going to spell it out and lead this topic to something that is relevant or are you going to play this game of "guess what I'm thinking?"

[sharkman]

I'm going to wonder why it is you are so obsessed with me in this thread, why is it that you can't let it go? You jumped in HARD against me when I asked two posters what their opinion was on the deaths of 6 million jews. Why so sensitive about that? What's your angle here?

Perhaps you don't believe the 6 million number either?

Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

Perhaps you don't believe the 6 million number either?

Don't be upset that you can't get people to join you in denying the Holocaust.

[msj]

I'm going to wonder why it is you are so obsessed with me in this thread, why is it that you can't let it go? You jumped in HARD against me when I asked two posters what their opinion was on the deaths of 6 million jews. Why so sensitive about that? What's your angle here?

Perhaps you don't believe the 6 million number either?

I have already stated that I have had a good chuckle at your expense for your attempts to make this about Big Guy and Marcus when it is really about Natenyahu and the idiotic thing he said.

Given how I have written about the capital "H" Holocaust should give you a hint as to how I view it.

But I do not appreciate how the history of this event is used, politically, to justify this and deny that.

The Israelis play this game as well, if not better, than anyone and they deserve to be called out on it.

At any rate - enough about me or you - spell out in English what you mean so we can have a proper discussion on topic.

[BC_chick]

Netanyahu isn't saying anything new. We had a poster here who used to make the same claim.

[Rue]

Shark you have noticed they took what Netanyahu said out of context and won't address the fact that the Mullah was in fact a Nazi, the Palestinian national movement was started by Nazi sympathizers and in fact he did say exactly what Netanyahu said. They can't dispute what Netanyahu said because its true. All they have been able to do is raise something he never said about Hitler and try refocus to that false representation.

Even the response by Marcus as to what he said in writing does not match his byline.

I have now gone back and edited this thread to you. I feel I am part of the personal comments so I am editing what I said so as not to add to it and do my party to stick to the issues.

I agree with the others we all must try to avoid personal comments but I sympathize with your comments as I share the same disgust. I guess we must try hard to avoid certain comments.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue

[BC_chick]

Oh and apparently Rue too

[Rue]

Even the head of Yad Vashem the holocaust memorial has had harsh words for Netanyahu not just Marcus and Big Guy and he asked today that Netanyahu clarify his statements which Netanyahu did.

The head of the Yad Vashem memorial said his words could be misinterpreted and on that point I would argue they certainly needed to be clarified by Netanyahu to stop the continuing misrepresentation of what he said.

In essence the head of Yad Vashem has said his words could be construed to suggest that the expulsion of Jews was the only wish of Hitler. That is not what Netanyahu said. Netanyahu qualified his statement by saying that followed with the words "at that time". Without reading those 3 extra words, it would appear he would be saying Hitler was only interested in expelling Jews but that is not the full context of what he said.

Further Netanyahu did not blame the holocaust solely on the Mullah as is being inferred on this thread-his words as to the Mullah's role were and I quote; "had a central role in the fomenting the final solution".

At no time did Netanyahu state the sole reason as is being inferred on this thread.

However if the head of Yad Vashem says Netanyahu must clarify his statements, then he had better and he did and one would hope he is more careful in the future so that people can not so easily distort what he actually said. Certainly they are being distorted to say things no Jew let alone Netanyahu would suggest.

Netanyahu simply was pointing out the false accusation as to Jews wanting to take over the Mount is old and was used by the Nazi Mufti of Jerusalem long ago to incite the killing of Jews which it was.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

Netanyahu isn't saying anything new. We had a poster here who used to make the same claim.

I still do...and it's still true.

[Rue]

BC what do you mean..."Oh and apparently Rue too"-what you want to get personal with me BC too.... or do you want to address the issues? Can you do that? Go on deny what the Mullah did and show the words where Netanyahu said the holocaust was caused solely by the Mufti. Go on.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue

[Rue]

MSJ tell me what words from Netanyahu said the holocaust was solely the blame of the Mufti. Go on show me. Show me the words that say he blames the holocaust solely on the Mufti.

Have BC, Big Guy, Marcus, anyone you want show me.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue

[Rue]

I want one person to come on this forum and deny that the Mullah did in fact word for word say the following to Hitler when asked what to do with the Jews in Germany:

" If you expel them, they'll all come here (Jerusalem). Burn them."

That statement is 100% correct. Its public domain and was proven.

I find it interesting those of you now on this thread calling Netanyahu a liar or assinine have not denied the above statement? Why? Prove it does not exist. Its historic fact.

As I have stated, the revisionism as to what the Mullah did and calling Netanyahu names and projecting false statements on to him, all will not change what the Mullah said and what his role was during WW2.

It won't change what happened.

The Mullah was a Nazi and played a central role in the holocaust.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue

[Rue]

The by-line to this thread is false. At no time did Netanyahu say Hitler was not responsible for the holocaust. The words produced even by Marcus show he never said that.

Netanyahu has now clarified what he actually said:

"On Wednesday, Netanyahu clarified his earlier comments with a new statement that he “had no intention of absolving Hitler from his diabolical responsibility for the annihilation of European Jews. Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution—the extermination of 6 million Jews. He made the decision. At the same time, it is absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a war criminal who encouraged Hitler, [Joachim von] Ribbentrop, [Heinrich] Himmler and others to destroy the Jews of Europe. There is much evidence of this, including the testimony of Eichmann’s deputy at the Nuremberg trials.”

Netanyahu further explained that the reason he brought up the issue was to illustrate the long history of Palestinian incitement against Jews, which existed before the establishment of the State of Israel.

“The Palestinian incitement to kill Jews, which began with [Haj Amin al-Husseini], continues today…For the murder to stop, the incitement must stop,” Netanyahu said."

source: https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/51877/netanyahu-no-intention-absolving-hitler-dont-ignore-arab-incitement-jerusalem/#bUYPZRxuFtRZBlGx.99

[DogOnPorch]

It's not a big secret.

In 1937, Eichmann went to Jerusalem and met the Grand Mufti re: resettlement of Germany's Jews. The Mufti let Eichmann know this wasn't a viable solution. This made the Jews his problem rather than Germany's. The two, oddly, become close friends.

In November 1941, the Mufti flees Iraq (where he had been plotting revolts) to Nazi Germany and meets Adolph Hitler. Hitler informs the Mufti that while he is sympathetic to the Mufti's 'Jewish Problem', he was unable to commit to anything while the North Africa Campaign continued. Once victory was achieved, then something concrete could be done re: Jews in the Middle East. The Mufti complains again that Jews escaping Germany and occupied Europe are ending-up in the British Mandate of Palestine...thus his problem...not Germany's. Hitler doesn't give a firm reply.

January, 1942: The Wannsee Conference is held. Heydrich and Eichmann are tasked with solving Germany's (quote) "Jewish storage problem".

Post-January 1942: The "Final Solution" begins in earnest. Jews had been targeted by Einsatzgruppen (death squads) since the war's beginning. But now, Death Camps (Aktion Reinhard Camps) take care of the killing: Treblinka and such.

February 1944: The Holocaust hits the Axis Minor countries: Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania plus the occupied regions of Yugoslavia, Albania, etc.

Initially, these countries allowed their Jews to escape...paying Turkey a head-tax to take them. The Mufti again complained to Eichmann who had the policy reversed. Jews were now shipped to Poland and Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Untold numbers died due to this decision by the Mufti and Eichmann.

[marcus]

"Completely erroneous, on all counts." is the statement made by the chief historian of Yad Vashem. But Rue and Doggy (Welcome back!) disagree with the chief historian of Yad Vashem.

Prof. Dina Porat, chief historian of Yad Vashem, called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s claim that Hitler did not seek to exterminate the Jews until his meeting with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem at the time, Haj Amin al-Husseini “completely erroneous, on all counts.”

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I don't think Netanyahu (and his mouthpieces) care about historians and the truth. He just wants this smelly, stinking lie hooked in the brains of the susceptible Palestinian-bashers. That makes it much easier to continue grabbing the West Bank and to continue to torture Gazans. I don't think he is insane. He is just a psychopath who will do whatever it takes to reach his agenda.

Edited October 22, 2015 by marcus

[Rue]

I went back and edited my posts in an effort to stick directly to the issues. For those who accused Sharkman of being personal, practice what you preach when you call Netanyahu asinine or a liar. To engage in debate, please be prepared to show what he said was false. Those of you who came on here to advance that train of personal insult to Netanyahu have not.

[DogOnPorch]

I believe the argument Mr Netanyahu is going with is that the *Final Solution* wasn't implemented until after Hitler and the Grand Mufti met. This is historically true...but it's impossible to read Hitler's mind. Nobody can say if it was the Mufti's complaints that made Hitler and the SS change their plans. But the two events are indeed one right after another.

Until that time, outright killing...deportation...or simply letting the Jews escape to other parts of the planet were ALL acceptable results.

After...there was only *one* acceptable result: death.

Edited October 22, 2015 by DogOnPorch

[cybercoma]

Netanyahu should be treated as a threat to world peace.