SpankyMcFarland Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Do people really care about people's BMI? I think they do subliminally and I would venture to suggest that most US Presidents have been leaner than Kenney which is probably a good indicator of where we are going in these matters as we move towards a more presidential system. If he is going to be leader for an extended period, it could be a sign of health problems to come. Edited October 24, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I think they do subliminally and I would venture to suggest that most US Presidents have been leaner than Kenney which is probably a good indicator of where we are gong in these matters. If he is going to be leader for an extended period it could be a sign of health problems to come. To me that's shallow. My BMI is in check, but if I make it to 40 without suffering some sort of cancer, that'd be impressive. I don't think people are that shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) To me that's shallow. My BMI is in check, but if I make it to 40 without suffering some sort of cancer, that'd be impressive. I don't think people are that shallow. I have a very different view of human nature - that we don't even control much of how we think about a political candidate. A lot of it is unconscious. We TEND to prefer tall, slim, good-looking candidates. Obviously, other factors come into play or Jean Chrétien would never have had a career. He was fit, though. And humorous. Edited October 24, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Kenney was fully on board with Harper on the ridiculous niqab issue. I doubt the CPC wants to go through that kind of thing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Again, I really would like to learn why. I would pick Kenney over Raitt, because of his ability to communicate. However, my understanding of this subject matter is very poor. I've heard people of MLW hate Kenney, but I haven't read a valid reason why yet. (valid in my books) Canadians are done with social conservatism in any form for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't trust Kenney, he told some lies when he used federal workers as new immigrants in a photo op. The PC leader HAS to be 100% trustworthy and has respect....but who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I believe that the federal Tories are in the same battle that the provinicial Ontario Tories have been fighting. In Ontario, the Mike Harris far right wing tried to hold on to power after Mike was defeated. They would not accpet that it was the hard conservative policies that the electorate rejected. That party is still trying to get its act together between the moderates and the ideologists. Meanwhile, the L:iberlas keep winning election after election. The current Conservative party is going to have to decide if it is the Harper Conservatives or the Progressive Conservatives. The leadership fight may decide this. If they decide on the old Harper Conservatives then the Liberals have a long future in power to look forward to. This battle is pretty serious starting with the fight for interim leader to keeping the losing Conservatives out of the decision making process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't see why you would count Mulcair out. He was leading in the polls for a good while during the election, and the NDP hasn't historically booted leaders just because they lost an election. But this leader tried to take them towards the centre, and got booted. There will be knives out within the NDP over that from people who believed if he had simply stayed the Jack Layton course the NDP would be in power now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Perhaps Tories should ask why they became so hated. The Canadian media, academic and political elites hated Harper from the beginning. He's not one of them and didn't go to their schools. They will never accept a leader from outside central Canada. Years of their attacks stuck a label on Harper which had dubious accuracy, but which the wide-eyed waifs of the left siezed on to massage their sense of paranoia and victimhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 If you want Trudeau in power for another term, you should. And why would that be? Kenney is smart, personable and bilingual. What's your issue with him? Not Liberal enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Barring some major disaster in leadership, Kenney won't stand a chance against Trudeau. If Harper had resigned and Kenney had led the Tories into this election the Conservatives would likely have won fairly easily. As for Trudeau's chances in four years, that would depend on how he handles the unfamiliar job of leader of the country between now and then. Your sudden shift into the role of wide eyed, devoted admirrer of Trudeau is as strange in its way as Socialist suddenly coming to hate socialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Kenney was fully on board with Harper on the ridiculous niqab issue. I doubt the CPC wants to go through that kind of thing again. The great majority of Canadians were fullly on board with Harper on the niqab issue. Bet that sticks in your craw. Edited October 25, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 If Harper had resigned and Kenney had led the Tories into this election the Conservatives would likely have won fairly easily. As for Trudeau's chances in four years, that would depend on how he handles the unfamiliar job of leader of the country between now and then. Your sudden shift into the role of wide eyed, devoted admirrer of Trudeau is as strange in its way as Socialist suddenly coming to hate socialists. I have already pointed to a few areas where I disagree with him entirely. I'm willing to give him a chance as he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The great majority of Canadians were fullly on board with Harper on the niqab issue. Bet that sits in your craw. Well apparently they weren't, at least where the rubber actually hit the road...i.e casting a ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well apparently they weren't, at least where the rubber actually hit the road...i.e casting a ballot. The only Canadians who let the niqab issue guide their votes were the ones in Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The only Canadians who let the niqab issue guide their votes were the ones in Quebec. Correct. The rest of the country didn't really give a shit about it. At least not as much as they did about ditching Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Correct. The rest of the country didn't really give a shit about it. At least not as much as they did about ditching Harper. But the fact they didn't let the issue guide their vote, that they thought it less important than other issues, does not signal they disapproved of Harper's stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 But the fact they didn't let the issue guide their vote, that they thought it less important than other issues, does not signal they disapproved of Harper's stance. It was nowhere near the issue Harper though/hoped it would be. He (and others) seem to forget it really only involved two people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 It was nowhere near the issue Harper though/hoped it would be. He (and others) seem to forget it really only involved two people. Have I ever claimed it was a big issue? Or even an important issue? Nevertheless, regardless of its importance, Harper's stance was approved by the vast majority of the population, including large majorities in all five parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Have I ever claimed it was a big issue? Or even an important issue? Nevertheless, regardless of its importance, Harper's stance was approved by the vast majority of the population, including large majorities in all five parties. Even prominent member of his own party have concluded that flogging the issue was a (one of) huge mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The Canadian media, academic and political elites hated Harper from the beginning. He's not one of them and didn't go to their schools. They will never accept a leader from outside central Canada. Years of their attacks stuck a label on Harper which had dubious accuracy, but which the wide-eyed waifs of the left siezed on to massage their sense of paranoia and victimhood. What are you talking about? There's no media bias. The Canadian mainstream media is totally fair and balanced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The great majority of Canadians were fullly on board with Harper on the niqab issue. Bet that sticks in your craw. Harper apologists like to think so. And yet, that was the point when the election started to turn against Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Harper apologists like to think so. And yet, that was the point when the election started to turn against Harper. That's the conservatives main weakness. They think there is some silent majority that agree with them, when that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Harper apologists like to think so. And yet, that was the point when the election started to turn against Harper. He's right in a way, actually, the majority of us were with Haper on the subject but even the most ardent niqab-opposers detested the way he exploited the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 What are you talking about? There's no media bias. The Canadian mainstream media is totally fair and balanced... Even after all the CPC endorsements? You guys are sticking to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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