dialamah Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 FWIW, someone who's met Trudeau several times over the last few years told me "He's a brain" and that he was in this for the "right reasons". We were interrupted at that point so didn't find out what were the right reasons in this person's mind. Jonathan Kay, who worked with Trudeau on his book Common Ground, talks of his huge library of books, an eclectic collection and all obviously read. He also believes Trudeau is absolutely genuine in believing that he can make changes for the better. In case this article has never been posted here before...https://thewalrus.ca/the-justin-trudeau-i-cant-forget/ Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) I felt the same way at the beginning of the campaign. Now I'm not so sure about that. Mulcair isn't quite as smart as I gave him credit for. People have taken to Trudeau...people I'd never expect to. I'm actually starting to wonder how much the Liberals will win by. They haven't taken to Trudeau. They've taken to all the expensive promises he's spreading around, which he's told them they won't have to pay for. Edited October 14, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 They haven't taken to Trudeau. No one ever mentions those things to me. It's: 1 ) tired of Harper 2 ) Trudeau's personality 3 ) excitement at the idea of change. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 They haven't taken to Trudeau. They've taken to all the expensive promises he's spreading around, which he's told them they won't have to pay for. Except he hasn't said the won't have to pay for them. You really do have a nasty habit of invoking strawmen. Maybe if we're looking to shrink the voting pool, we should start with people that use logical fallacies to try to win arguments. Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 FWIW, someone who's met Trudeau several times over the last few years told me "He's a brain" and that he was in this for the "right reasons". We were interrupted at that point so didn't find out what were the right reasons in this person's mind. Jonathan Kay, who worked with Trudeau on his book Common Ground, talks of his huge library of books, an eclectic collection and all obviously read. He also believes Trudeau is absolutely genuine in believing that he can make changes for the better. In case this article has never been posted here before...https://thewalrus.ca/the-justin-trudeau-i-cant-forget/ The problem with the elder Trudeau wasn't that he wasn't intelligent. He was an intellectual with grand visions who refused to allow what he thought of as noble and visionary ideas from being sidetracked or delayed by grubby money details. The younger Trudeau is a literature graduate who has never experienced the value of a dollar because he's never had to work for them. He literally has never had to worry about paying bills. So how much do you think he cares about money issues? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Except he hasn't said the won't have to pay for them Ohh, that makes it all right then. He hasn't SAID they won't have to pay for them. Well then I'm sure no one is going to believe these are free, just because he's borrowing the money and saying in every commercial that he's going to make the rich pay . Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 The problem with the elder Trudeau wasn't that he wasn't intelligent. He was an intellectual with grand visions who refused to allow what he thought of as noble and visionary ideas from being sidetracked or delayed by grubby money details. The younger Trudeau is a literature graduate who has never experienced the value of a dollar because he's never had to work for them. He literally has never had to worry about paying bills. So how much do you think he cares about money issues? And when did Harper learn the value of a dollar. He had two actual jobs of note in his life; a mail room clerk and then a think tank. Harper had one term as MP when he made his bid for the Alliance leadership, and frankly, he'd departed from his first stint in Parliament on the outs with Manning. He was no great fountain of experience, and his record pre-2002 was that of an over the top ideologue with some pretty out there views on social policy and governance (which appears to have played a significant part in his falling out with Manning). Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Ohh, that makes it all right then. He hasn't SAID they won't have to pay for them. Well then I'm sure no one is going to believe these are free, just because he's borrowing the money and saying in every commercial that he's going to make the rich pay . Please just stop. There are lots of things to criticize Trudeau for, but you're just making things up. It's like you've abandoned any need to even be vaguely rational. It's almost as if you're actually a Tory partisan, and not some disinterested fellow traveler as you always try to pose as. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 It's almost as if you're actually a Tory partisan, and not some disinterested fellow traveler as you always try to pose as. Argus is no fellow traveler as most of us can surmise from his posts. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Posted October 14, 2015 The Stephen Harper going away party on facebook has close to 300,000 committed attendees. Which is considerably more than the number of "likes" Harper has on his own FB page. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
drummindiver Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Like that line never gets old. I'm not my father, and JT isn't his. yup. Pierre was the smart one...shudder Quote
Hydraboss Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) The Stephen Harper going away party on facebook has close to 300,000 committed attendees. Which is considerably more than the number of "likes" Harper has on his own FB page. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/earl-grey-federal-election-animal-protection-1.3268069 Earl Grey for the win.... The Tuxedo Party, which has successfully capitalized on the Internet's obsession with cats, has more than 24,000 likes on its official Facebook page. By comparison, the actual MP for Halifax, New Democrat Megan Leslie, has about 11,000. Edited October 14, 2015 by Hydraboss Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 And when did Harper learn the value of a dollar. He had two actual jobs of note in his life; a mail room clerk and then a think tank. Harper had one term as MP when he made his bid for the Alliance leadership, and frankly, he'd departed from his first stint in Parliament on the outs with Manning. He was no great fountain of experience, and his record pre-2002 was that of an over the top ideologue with some pretty out there views on social policy and governance (which appears to have played a significant part in his falling out with Manning). You miss the point, deliberately, I suspect. Harper was not born rich, and none of his jobs up to the present one paid a great deal of money. You think he was earning a lot as an MP's assistant or policy wonk for the Reform and Alliance parties? An MP makes decent money, it's true, but has to maintain two homes. Trudeau was born a multi millionaire. A to preparation, Harper's education was in economics, which is pretty good for someone aiming for politics. He spent all his life involved in politics, both as a candidate and behind the scenes before he ran for prime minister. No one has ever accused him of not getting the complexities of politics or government. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
drummindiver Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 The Stephen Harper going away party on facebook has close to 300,000 committed attendees. Which is considerably more than the number of "likes" Harper has on his own FB page. Which isn't surprising, as huge percentage of peoplel on Facebook who would like such a thing are teenage pot smokers. Of course kids want to go to that "party". Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Please just stop. There are lots of things to criticize Trudeau for, but you're just making things up. It's like you've abandoned any need to even be vaguely rational. Sorry, does the truth hurt? He's all over the place promising tax cuts which will be paid for by the rich, and all sorts of goodies to be paid for with borrowed money. How the hell am I making things up? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Posted October 14, 2015 Muslim baiting backfires in BC; may cost star candidate her seat. Then, a month ago, Watts’s campaign team mailed out a flyer, a tabloid mock-up: “We will fight jihadist terrorists at home and abroad,” read the headline. It included a quote from an ISIS terrorist, in all-caps: “YOU WILL NOT FEEL SAFE IN YOUR BEDROOMS.” It was craven and amateurish, though not neccesarily out of line with the fear tactics being used elsewhere by the Conservative party. Still, the blowback was strong and immediate. Angry letters about the “absurdist” and “shameful” mail-out flooded city papers. The Peace Arch News had to append a note: it hadn’t received a single pro-Watts letter to help balance the vitriol, it explained. Just like that, can’t-lose Watts was suddenly polling five to seven points behind her Liberal opponent, according to two recent election forecasts by Vox Pop Labs and ThreeHundredEight.com. Hooray for BC for not getting stampeded with the rest of the herd. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
waldo Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Muslim baiting backfires in BC; may cost star candidate her seat. Hooray for BC for not getting stampeded with the rest of the herd. latest riding projection for South Surrey - Whiterock showing the Liberal candidate's lead (Judy Higginbotham - former Surrey city councillor) (graphic presentation is a joint collaboration between data visualization specialist, Stephen McMurtry, and Eric Grenier's 308 polling) Quote
dialamah Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Which isn't surprising, as huge percentage of peoplel on Facebook who would like such a thing are teenage pot smokers. Of course kids want to go to that "party".And yet, when I looked at the membership list, I saw people my age (50+) - even some of my friends/family who I didn't know where anti-Harper. Go figure. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 latest riding projection for South Surrey - Whiterock showing the Liberal candidate's lead (Judy Higginbotham - former Surrey city councillor) That's the riding Dianne Watts is running in. She was supposed to be a star candidate for the Tories, as she was the very popular mayor of White Rock. She was even floated as a possible successor to Gordon Campbell when he resigned the leadership of the BC Liberals. It's a fairly conservative, at least small-c Conservative riding, so the fact that the Tories are in trouble there tells you just how big the Tories' troubles in BC are. Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 That's the riding Dianne Watts is running in. She was supposed to be a star candidate for the Tories, as she was the very popular mayor of White Rock. . Dianne Watts was the very popular mayor of Surrey (pop. 470,000). White Rock (pop.19,000) is a comparatively tiny retirement enclave on the southern coast near the American border - the southern extent of the municipality of Surrey. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Posted October 15, 2015 Dianne Watts was the very popular mayor of Surrey (pop. 470,000). White Rock (pop.19,000) is a comparatively tiny retirement enclave on the southern coast near the American border - the southern extent of the municipality of Surrey. Yup - by all accounts she was a shoo-in. Then came Harper's Muslim-baiting politics and now it's a race. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 No. That's not what it equals. Now THIS is a completely dipshit thing to say. The more of this that gets written and said, the more we conservatives have to play defence because we all get labeled with it. I'm afraid that fleet sailed long long ago. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Posted October 15, 2015 Another Conservative supporter comes out to "help" Harper. I don't care if he has sex with a sheep.... I'll bet the Conservative brain trust wish they could keep guys like this hidden under a tarp at least until the election is over. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Posted October 15, 2015 It seems that a Vancouver entrepreneur is willing to put up $1 million to fight bill C51 because it's bad for business. He argues that the federal government's sweeping power under the law to collect metadata, store it and share it among departments is not only a privacy violation - it's bad for business. "How can you build intellectual property, as a technology business, when there's a leak in your back door," Ghahramani says. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Posted October 15, 2015 Harper's newest best buddies, Rob and Doug Ford, who are apparently organizing a rally for him, are the people he called "a bunch of losers" during the last Toronto mayoralty race. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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