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Wilber · October 2, 2015

We know what Canada's terms are....it's just a matter of negotiating the price.

Really, how much do you think it would cost you to bring a banned or restricted weapon into Canada? Why don't you ask the next time you cross the border.

But the safety of Canadians is paramount. Some are so afraid, they would rather get murdered in Mexico than the gun crazy United States.

Canadians visit many countries that are less safe than their own. Visiting the US is no different from visiting any other foreign country, if you want to go there, you accept the risks involved.

bush_cheney2004 · October 2, 2015

Really, how much do you think it would cost you to bring a banned or restricted weapon into Canada? Why don't you ask the next time you cross the border.

Really, how much hunting and sport shooting business would Ontario lose if no scary American guns were permitted to cross the border ?

Canadians visit many countries that are less safe than their own. Visiting the US is no different from visiting any other foreign country, if you want to go there, you accept the risks involved.

Then why so much angst about American gun deaths ? Fact is that far more Canadians have emigrated to the gun crazy U.S. than Americans going to Canada, and the U.S. has ten times the population. Guns...guns...guns....everywhere !

jbg · October 2, 2015

and what part of the gun laws do you not want to improve upon?

I am tired of this being blamed on "gun laws." We'd have to clear the continent from Coppermine (oops, Kuglugtuk) to Tierra del Fuego of guns to accomplish anything. Maybe if firearms had never been introduced into the Western Hemisphere in large numbers could gun control have some impact. As it is if someone is both deranged and determined, and there are no intervening social forces to stop the mayhem, scattered tragedies are inevitable If we put armed guards in the schools, next will be shopping centers or fast food joints. Or bus stops or train stations. Anywhere people congregate. Are we going to secure everywhere that people gather?

ReeferMadness · October 2, 2015

Jeb Bush's words of wisdom on the subject. "Stuff happens".

Do right wing politicians go to stupid school?

bush_cheney2004 · October 2, 2015

Jeb Bush's words of wisdom on the subject. "Stuff happens".

Do right wing politicians go to stupid school?

Yes...Harvard...Yale...Duke...Michigan...and Stanford !

Wilber · October 2, 2015

Really, how much hunting and sport shooting business would Ontario lose if no scary American guns were permitted to cross the border ?

Probably about one ten thousands of what US business would lose if Canadians stopped visiting. Let me know when you find out how much it cost to get a restricted or banned firearm across the border.

Then why so much angst about American gun deaths ? Fact is that far more Canadians have emigrated to the gun crazy U.S. than Americans going to Canada, and the U.S. has ten times the population. Guns...guns...guns....everywhere !

Not angst. Mystified at your callousness regarding the carnage they inflict on your country.

Shady · October 2, 2015

Probably about one ten thousands of what US business would lose if Canadians stopped visiting. Let me know when you find out how much it cost to get a restricted or banned firearm across the border.

Not angst. Mystified at your callousness regarding the carnage they inflict on your country.

Extra freedom can come with a price. But it's up those that live with those extra freedoms to decide if the risk is worth the reward.

Wilber · October 2, 2015

Extra freedom can come with a price. But it's up those that live with those extra freedoms to decide if the risk is worth the reward.

Yes it can and the bigger the price, the greater amount of callousness required to ignore that price.

bush_cheney2004 · October 2, 2015

Probably about one ten thousands of what US business would lose if Canadians stopped visiting. Let me know when you find out how much it cost to get a restricted or banned firearm across the border.

Why would I want to bring a restricted or banned firearm into Canada ?

Not angst. Mystified at your callousness regarding the carnage they inflict on your country.

Stay mystified....'cause it ain't gonna change anytime soon. Dozens more people were killed today in the U.S. with firearms. And dozens more will be killed tomorrow. And the day after that. It's American "gun culture".

bush_cheney2004 · October 2, 2015

Extra freedom can come with a price. But it's up those that live with those extra freedoms to decide if the risk is worth the reward.

Yes, and more Canadians have decided to take the risk in the gun toting USA.

Wilber · October 2, 2015

Why would I want to bring a restricted or banned firearm into Canada ?

We know what Canada's terms are....it's just a matter of negotiating the price.

Your words, let us know when you get the price.

Stay mystified....'cause it ain't gonna change anytime soon. Dozens more people were killed today in the U.S. with firearms. And dozens more will be killed tomorrow. And the day after that. It's American "gun culture".

That's what I said. Callousness.

bush_cheney2004 · October 2, 2015

Your words, let us know when you get the price.

That's what I said. Callousness.

The price is whatever we will pay....in lives and money.

waldo · October 3, 2015

U.S. President Obama response - deja vu... as he acknowledges his repeat pattern after every mass school shooting:

Moonlight Graham · October 3, 2015

Do you include target shooters in your cataegorization? I know of a few Dominion of Canada Rifle Association members who have been involved and have practiced their sport for decades, several of whom have competed at Bisley who would strongly disagree with your assessment (as do I).

A sport is a poor excuse for owning a firearm, but I suppose it also depends on the type of firearm. Why not have the target range store and own the gun? There should almost nothing in the country more regulated than technology designed to murder people.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Moonlight Graham

Moonlight Graham · October 3, 2015

Jeb Bush's words of wisdom on the subject. "Stuff happens".

Do right wing politicians go to stupid school?

Right to own guns > right not to be murdered by guns.

Moonlight Graham · October 3, 2015

I am tired of this being blamed on "gun laws."

Sorry, it is. Gun regulation is poor, access to guns an certain types of guns in the US is very easy compared to other countries

dre · October 3, 2015

Sorry, it is. Gun regulation is poor, access to guns an certain types of guns in the US is very easy compared to other countries

Thats true but new laws wont change the fact that theres more than a quarter of a billion guns in the US.

A better approach might be for the government to attempt to purchase them all, and melt them down... And THEN pass laws that make it less likely for the wrong people to get them.

But lets face it... none of that is going to happen. A significant ammount of Americans consider gun ownership to be an important freedom, the courts have incorrectly applied the 2nd, and theres a big well connected and well funded lobby that will oppose any real reforms.

Like I said... these things are just part of American culture now. Here to stay.

Moonlight Graham · October 3, 2015

Thats true but new laws wont change the fact that theres more than a quarter of a billion guns in the US.

A better approach might be for the government to attempt to purchase them all, and melt them down... And THEN pass laws that make it less likely for the wrong people to get them.

But lets face it... none of that is going to happen. A significant ammount of Americans consider gun ownership to be an important freedom, the courts have incorrectly applied the 2nd, and theres a big well connected and well funded lobby that will oppose any real reforms.

Like I said... these things are just part of American culture now. Here to stay.

Regulation to restrict further gun sales of certain types/circumstances can only help, if only to help a bit from this point forward.

The gun culture is the biggest problem. The right to own guns is one thing, but why do so many Americans feel the need to exercise that right at such an absurd level of ownership? I dunno, maybe it's Darwinism in a way.

The_Squid · October 3, 2015

Gun control measures won't help overnight. There will be plenty more shootings for BC to drool over and be proud of... But Gun control is a long term part of the solution.

bush_cheney2004 · October 3, 2015

Gun control measures won't help overnight. There will be plenty more shootings for BC to drool over and be proud of... But Gun control is a long term part of the solution.

The U.S. already has lots of "gun control".....enough for even Canadians to "drool over".

justme4567 · October 3, 2015

Guns like drivers licences are a privileged NOT A RIGHT! Lets quit giving guns to physco's and drivers licences to drunks...seems reasonable.

bush_cheney2004 · October 3, 2015

Talk of more gun control on top of existing laws will only spur more gun sales. Oh, and lots more ammo !

Rue · October 3, 2015

Americans argue they do not ask for the right right to own murderous guns, just guns. Murderous is a descriptor Americans do not see automatically attached to all guns-just some. Americans are not Canadians. They will never accept gun control as we have in Canada.

The US was created by rebels and vigilantes. That is fact. Americans literally took the law into their own hands. The gun is at the crux of this exercise-it is entrenched in the spirit of America because without guns there would have been no creation of their state and the end to what they saw as unacceptable tyranny.

Its country was born from a rebellion. Guns enabled its breaking free. Our country on the other hand was created by people who did not want to rebel and who loved their King. So we had no use for guns.

We welcomed being controlled by the King. For God's sake our North West Mounted Police required no weapons that's how dag nabbed conformist we were.

American lawmen and outlaws pretty much were the same people at one point.

Americans used a pointed gun to enforce the law, we never did.

The US had a lengthy and costly civil war. Canada instead allowed our rebels to sit in the very government they were trying to destroy and we then paid them big salaries and pensions. We welcomed our rebels and kissed their ass. Who us shoot Gilles Duceppes?

Please that would ruin his hairdo? Imagine on the other hand seeing Americans pay Jefferson Davis a generous life pension to piss on the White House. Uh no sorry Yankees did not let that happen. They literally blasted Johny Rebel nd the two waged in the bloodiest of wars.

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There is a huge difference in our history.

Guns. I don't like them and never will own one. I had to learn how to use one. Hate them. No one who has seen what they do to a human skull likes them. No I do not buy and clean out pumpkins. That's because I know what a gun does when it hits a skull.

That said, I know Americans. They won't give up their gun s. It is part of their very souls.

It won't happen. Ever. The deaths will continue. Americans prefer the death of their own civilians and see it as a necessary consequence rather than compromise to the idea of giving up their right to own arms.

To them gun ownership is an inalienable right as precious as the right to live and US law defines it as a right not a privilege.

I would not even attempt to try debate them over it. Its a concept only Americans can and may never decide to change.

As for that idiot Obama he has nothing to say. This idiot less than two weeks ago referred to a clock that looked like a bomb as "cool" and ridiculed a school principal, police and a Mayor for treating it as a security threat. Now he suddenly is concerned about safety? The two faced sob has zero credibility.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Rue

Wilber · October 3, 2015

Many countries were formed through war, both civil and with other nations, rebellion and had to fight for their independence from others. Most countries in Western Europe would fit that description at one time or another. None of them have taken to guns like the US.

As for that idiot Obama he has nothing to say. This idiot less than two weeks ago referred to a clock that looked like a bomb as "cool" and ridiculed a school principal, police and a Mayor for treating it as a security threat. Now he suddenly is concerned about safety? The two faced sob.

Only an idiot could make a connection between a kid coming to school with a clock, and one with three handguns, a semi auto rifle and the intent to use them.