Did PM Steven Harper Invite Or Deter Terrorism to/from Canada?

[G Huxley]

Arrogance and hubris of course. Neoconservative traits.

[Argus]

Arrogance and hubris of course. Neoconservative traits.

Moonbeams and floating pink daffodils, a Lefty trait.

[G Huxley]

Why do conservatives hate moon beams and floating pink daffodils?

[bush_cheney2004]

....If you haven't watched the Neoconservative's actions over the last 15s year you've had your head in the sand.

There are no Canadian neoconservatives. There is nothing you can do about real neoconservatives in a foreign country.

[G Huxley]

Yeah and there were no fascists in Spain.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yeah and there were no fascists in Spain.

Importing foreign labels for partisan electioneering just demonstrates desperation.

[G Huxley]

Importing foreign posters (and campaign advisors) in Canadian electioneering demonstrates desperation by the far right.

Edited September 26, 2015 by G Huxley

[bush_cheney2004]

Importing foreign posters (and campaign advisors) in Canadian electioneering demonstrates desperation by the far right.

No more than an American party leader this election, an American wannabe party leader (last election...he went back to the USA), Howard Dean speech at LPC convention, etc.

Seemingly, Canada can't have an election without constantly worrying about American politics, policy (terrorism), and resulting labels.

Edited September 26, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[G Huxley]

Yes I agree there is too much American in Canadian politics. Help improve the situation by not posting.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes I agree there is too much American in Canadian politics. Help improve the situation by not posting.

That wouldn't help....Canada just seems to crave the American framework and labels as a way to define political process. Whatever happened to good 'ole infighting about The Bloc, separatists, energy policy, wheat board, health care, and CBC funding ? At least those were actually Canadian !

[ToadBrother]

Advancing the neoconservative imperial agenda isn't defending America.

Do you remember what happened in World War 2 when Canada was at war with Germany? The US didn't even come to our aid then. It was only until Germany actually declared war on them that they entered the war against Germany.

The US began Lend-Lease to the British Empire and the Soviet Union early in 1941, and in fact Roosevelt was offering what help he could to Britain until Pearl Harbour.

Without the US's help, it's highly doubtful that the Allies would have won the war. Lend-lease not only helped Britain, but Russia as well, and there's no way Britain could have opened a second front on its own, which was essential not only to defeating the Nazis in Western Europe, but also to the Soviet breakthroughs in Eastern Europe.

You just don't like Americans, so you come up with these bizarre historical interpretations to give some sort of weight to your prejudices.

[Keepitsimple]

This entire topic is a pile of hooey. The thrust is that Stephen Harper invited terrorism to Canada by being a puppet of Obama against ISIS. Garbage. Just a bit of reading of the facts regarding how broad the International Coalition against ISIS actually is will attest to that.....and yes, Canada is playing its usual small but meaningful part....

15 September coalition

On 15 September 2014, on the ‘International Conference on Peace and Security in Iraq’ hosted by the French President François Hollande in Paris, 26 countries were represented: the countries that on 5 September in Wales (see above) had agreed on a coalition against ISIL but except Australia and Poland, and furthermore Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Belgium, China, Czech Republic, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Russia and Spain.
They committed themselves to supporting the Iraqi government with military assistance in its fight against ISIL, and they reaffirmed their commitment to UNSC Resolution 2170 of 15 August (condemning all trade with ISIL and urging to prevent all financial donations and all payments of ransoms to ISIL so reported the French government.

3 December coalition

On 3 December 2014, at the NATO headquarters in Brussels, diplomats[236]/(foreign) ministers[237] from 59 countries gathered to plot a way forward against the threat of ISIL U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told the gathering, that “defeating the ideology, the funding, the recruitment” of Daesh (ISIL) must be the primary focus of their discussion, more important than airstrikes and other military action.
The countries represented on 3 December were: the 10 countries of the above-mentioned 5 September coalition in Wales (see above); the extra 18 countries of the 15 September coalition in Paris (see above) but except China and Russia; and 33 additional countries: Albania, Austria, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Portugal, South Korea, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Somalia, Sweden, Taiwan and Ukraine. They agreed to a strategy that included:

exposing ISIL’s true nature;
cutting off ISIL’s financing and funding;
supporting military operations.[238]

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_intervention_against_ISIL

[G Huxley]

No I supported backing the Kurds to fight ISIS, just not the over the top Us vs Them rhetoric that's what causes the sort of blowback we've seen.

"The US began Lend-Lease to the British Empire and the Soviet Union early in 1941, and in fact Roosevelt was offering what help he could to Britain until Pearl Harbour."

Lend-Lease were loans. The US was making a profit on it. It wasn't like it was totally magnanimous in fact it bankrupted the British Empire after the war.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Let's be honest here. Nobody notices what we do. If you go to Europe for a month, Canada disappears from the news. In Iraq and Syria, we are playing our small and meaningless role. ISIS will hate us either way and we will have little or no effect on that.

Edited September 27, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland

[G Huxley]

Of course, which is why this whole thing is simply political theater to get Harper re-elected, an expensive and dangerous one at that.

[WIP]

Before you answer, think which country is most likely to come to our defence if any kind of military crisis arises between us and Russia...

And why should we be in a military conflict with Russia? America is an empire, and if this country wants to goose step to the same tune, that's what puts us at risk of terrorist attacks!

[PIK]

Being on the right side is not being a puppet.

[Vancouver King]

Yesterday's leak of a secret report stating 20% of Canadian embassies - many in the Middle East - are at high risk for successful terrorist attack demonstrates that Harper will knowingly sacrifice the lives of our diplomats to political expediency by starving the budgets of our

foreign missions in the name of taming the deficit.

[Argus]

Yesterday's leak of a secret report stating 20% of Canadian embassies - many in the Middle East - are at high risk for successful terrorist attack demonstrates that Harper will knowingly sacrifice the lives of our diplomats to political expediency by starving the budgets of our

foreign missions in the name of taming the deficit.

The report came out YESTERDAY. You're condemning him on not taking action on it yet?!

[Vancouver King]

The report came out YESTERDAY. You're condemning him on not taking action on it yet?!

Are you seriously suggesting Harper & company only yesterday realized many embassies are terror traps? Not even Harper could be that ignorant.

The Americans have realized their diplomatic vulnerability for a year or more and invested billions in upgraded security including moving embassies to rural areas, away from undefendable urban locations.

Harper has dragged his heels on spending for such security upgrades, effectively trading the lives of our diplomats for the political expediency of balancing his budget.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Vancouver King

[PIK]

Importing foreign posters (and campaign advisors) in Canadian electioneering demonstrates desperation by the far right.

Hux, check out the other parties, they are doing the same thing in this election.

[ToadBrother]

And why should we be in a military conflict with Russia? America is an empire, and if this country wants to goose step to the same tune, that's what puts us at risk of terrorist attacks!

Um, Russia is attempting to claim vast areas of the Arctic seabed. Not to mention it is menacing our NATO allies.

Have you been asleep for the last decade?

[WIP]

Um, Russia is attempting to claim vast areas of the Arctic seabed. Not to mention it is menacing our NATO allies.

Have you been asleep for the last decade?

The "menacing our NATO allies" is bullshit! NATO could have been dissolved after the Warsaw Pact was ended. Instead, NATO has kept expanding and encircling Russia, with the goal of destabilizing Russia enough to break it apart into separate, smaller countries.

As for the Arctic....lining up with the aggressive posture of the Americans (and trying to look tougher even though we have no means to project power) hasn't helped us any in dealing with Russia over the melting Arctic Ocean (the reason why this is an issue to begin with). Right from the start, Canada has issued threats against Russia for encroaching in the Canadian Arctic, and never made any serious attempts to discuss or negotiate Arctic issues with Russia....that should be the sensible first option! We...along with the other nations bordering the Arctic and Aboriginal councils belong to an Arctic Council. But all it's been used for is negotiating environmental treaties! Why hasn't the Arctic Council been the used as a forum for discussing and trying to resolve any disputes over land or resources? Probably a dumb question to ask people who would rather have the next world war!

[Maybe]

We have been used by the American thugs for far too long. We need to put some distance between us. Their illegal wars cause far too problems for Canada and I am sure they create the most refugees in the world with all their meddling, sanctions, and covert efforts to destabilize countries. Canada has a higher moral standard and we need to point that out to the world more often.

[Argus]

Canada has a higher moral standard and we need to point that out to the world more often.

No, we actually don't have a higher moral standard, though we like to think we do.