Muslim Hysteria Reaches New Low in Texas

bush_cheney2004 · September 17, 2015

So the let's all stand here and see if it blows up in our faces is an appropriate response to a suspected bomb in a school.

Bomb scares are routine things in schools...sure were when I was a kid. Some kids just wanted to disrupt or get the day off.

It's not a Texas or anti-Muslim thing.

Peter F · September 17, 2015

...and during bomb-scares the fire-alarm to the dismay of the teachers and cheers of the students, went off and everyone filed outside and the Fire department came and the police came and everyone stood around waiting for the bell to call them back in.

That did not happen in Irving Texas

Edited September 17, 2015 by Peter F

cybercoma · September 17, 2015

Bomb scares are routine things in schools...sure were when I was a kid. Some kids just wanted to disrupt or get the day off.

And that didn't happen. They sat calmly with the kid. They put the "bomb" in the cop car with the kid. The teachers didn't even have the cops show up until later in the day even. They didn't act like it was a bomb because they didn't think it was a bomb.

bush_cheney2004 · September 17, 2015

Clearly it was not a bomb. Hence no bomb scare drill. Any questions ?

Wilber · September 17, 2015

So, we know it isn't a bomb. We know the kid didn't intend it to be seen as a bomb. He had already shown it to his engineering teacher who knew exactly what it was and why he made it, but we are going to call the cops, cuff him and cart him off to jail anyway. When Texas goes dumb ass, they don't screw around.

bush_cheney2004 · September 17, 2015

So, we know it isn't a bomb. We know the kid didn't intend it to be seen as a bomb. He had already shown it to his engineering teacher who knew exactly what it was and why he made it, but we are going to call the cops, cuff him and cart him off to jail anyway. When Texas goes dumb ass, they don't screw around.

He was arrested for making a "hoax bomb".

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08

Edited September 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

Wilber · September 17, 2015

Which they knew wasn't a hoax bomb. They were either just being vindictive or simple dumb asses. Vindictive dumb asses I think. That's certainly the way they come across. Hope the people looking after my grand kids at school are smarter than those bozos.

bush_cheney2004 · September 17, 2015

Which they knew wasn't a hoax bomb. They were either just being vindictive or simple dumb asses. Vindictive dumb asses I think. That's certainly the way they come across. Hope the people looking after my grand kids at school are smarter than those bozos.

Can't say either way.....you and I were not on scene. But it is a fun "talker".

Big Guy · September 18, 2015

School teachers and administration did not know what it was. Their first priority is the safety of the rest of the students. They assumed the most dangerous possible situation and acted accordingly. The police were called and apparently decided to put cuffs on the child until they knew for sure what the situation was. They did their job.

Once it was clarified that there was no bomb and no danger involved then everybody was released and things went back to normal.

I see nobody doing anything that was not within their responsibility and authority.

Peter F · September 18, 2015

Thats not what happened, Big Guy.

School teachers and administration did not know what it was

The engineering teacher knew what it was because the student showed it to him earlier in the day. it was a home-made clock.

That teacher then suggested to the student that it would be best to not show it to any other teacher. Kinda weird thing to say.

So the student puts the clock back in his back-pack and carries on with his school day taking the Engineering teachers advice and not telling other

teachers that he made a clock all by himself.

In English class the clock, still in the backpack, does what electro-clocks do and emits a beeping sound. English teacher says show me whats

making that sound so student takes the clock out of his back-pack so the teacher can see it.

Their first priority is the safety of the rest of the students. They assumed the most dangerous possible situation and acted accordingly

and at this point, what, when student shows teacher what he/she takes to be a bomb, would be the appropriate thing to do? For safety of the students as first

priority and assuming, for safety's sake, the most dangerous thing?

Well, lets imagine what the shocked and surprised English teacher should do.

Do we all have what we consider to be the appropriate action in our minds? Then lets carry on with what actually happened;

English teacher takes backpack with bomb to principals office and shows it to him and says the student brought it to school.

Principal sends teacher back to class, keeps the backpack and bomb with him in his office and calls the police.

Police arrive and visit the principle who shows them the bomb and tells them the kid brought it to school.

Priniciple, I suppose over the intercom - but perhaps by personal messanger - calls kid to his office.

Kid goes to principles office where he is confronted by the police and asked 'what is this?'

He tells them its a clock but they're not sure so arrest him and handcuff him as per normal police procedures.

The police then escort the kid and the bomb outside to a police vehicle and drive to the police station.

At the police station the kid is questioned further about the so-called-clock and his parents are called.

Then they let him go while the case is investigated further.

Yes, that is precisely how the police and principle of a school would react to a bomb-scare. Exactly by the book just like they did.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Peter F

Wilber · September 18, 2015

School teachers and administration did not know what it was. Their first priority is the safety of the rest of the students. They assumed the most dangerous possible situation and acted accordingly. The police were called and apparently decided to put cuffs on the child until they knew for sure what the situation was. They did their job.

Once it was clarified that there was no bomb and no danger involved then everybody was released and things went back to normal.

I see nobody doing anything that was not within their responsibility and authority.

If they seriously thought it might be a bomb, why on earth would they just stand around and stare at it till the cops arrived with their students still sitting in their classes. You consider that making the safety of their students the first priority? What did the cops do? Did they call explosive experts to determine what it was? No, they put the kid and the bomb in a cop car and took him to the station. Do you think that is an appropriate response from a police department that actually though they might be dealing with a real bomb?

One more question. Do you think putting the kid in cuffs would stop a bomb going off?

Edited September 18, 2015 by Wilber

Big Guy · September 18, 2015

To Peter F - Thank you for the additional details. While they do describe a questionable approach to a potential "bomb" at least they reacted to it. I do agree that the English teacher should have emptied that classroom and pulled the fire alarm to empty the school. Many authority figures involved made errors of judgement - but I do not see a discrimination component.

Even in Canada, bomb threats to schools are problems. In one of the boards in which I worked, the procedure of dealing with a bomb threat used to be emptying the school like fire alarm and having the custodial staff and fire fighters search the school. That became a joke. What are they looking for and how long does it take to "clear" a school? After a while and after some students learned that they can get an outside smoke break if they get a friend to phone in a bomb threat, most schools stopped emptying the school.

In most schools now, when a bomb threat is phoned in, the receiving Secretary informs whoever is in charge. They will call a "code" something - some number that indicates a bomb threat. The teachers are then supposed to check their immediate area for a bomb and inform the office if they find one.

BTW - what does a bomb look like?

Wilber · September 18, 2015

They didn't react to the "bomb" at all. They reacted to the kid.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Wilber

Peter F · September 18, 2015

Exactly Wilbur.

Just for fun:

http://www.irvingisd.net/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&DomainID=4&ModuleInstanceID=7900&ViewID=047E6BE3-6D87-4130-8424-D8E4E9ED6C2A&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=8876&PageID=1

eyeball · September 18, 2015

To Peter F - Thank you for the additional details. While they do describe a questionable approach to a potential "bomb" at least they reacted to it. I do agree that the English teacher should have emptied that classroom and pulled the fire alarm to empty the school. Many authority figures involved made errors of judgement - but I do not see a discrimination component.

OTOH these 'errors of judgment' just indicate the disingenuous nature of the reaction - they knew it wasn't a bomb and that's why they didn't empty the school, evacuate the neighbourhood and call the bomb squad. Otherwise they were quite happy to go over the top.

cybercoma · September 18, 2015

They can't even argue that h was simulating a bomb to threaten people since he was open and upfront about exactly what it was from the start.

The_Squid · September 18, 2015

Excellent synopsis Peter F... Clearly highlights the stupidity of those involved.

To be a hoax bomb it would need the kid to tell people he has a bomb... and show them a fake bomb... that's the definition of a hoax.

A hoax bomb is NOT a clock that the kid says is a clock. That's just a clock.

Canada_First · September 18, 2015

So if the kid said it was a clock but he then blew himself up that would be ok?

I'm wondering where the politically correctness ends.

Bob Macadoo · September 18, 2015

So if the kid said it was a clock but he then blew himself up that would be ok?

I'm wondering where the politically correctness ends.

.....when the clock shouts "Allah Ackbar", burns a GW Bush in effigy, then claims its a child soldier........how's that?

Wilber · September 18, 2015

So if the kid said it was a clock but he then blew himself up that would be ok?

I'm wondering where the politically correctness ends.

Ya, the way they reacted to this possible "bomb" they would probably have let him walk over to a wall socket and plug it in. The actions they took against a possible "bomb" wouldn't have saved anyone. They did nothing except look at it until the cops came. The cops did nothing except cuff the kid then haul him and the "bomb" away in a cop car. Either they knew it wasn't a bomb or they are total imbeciles.

Since 9/11 there have been over 150 school shootings in the US that have killed over 160 people and wounded over 200 more. How many Muslim kids have tried to blow up a school with a clock or anything else since then?

I'm wondering where the stupidity ends.

Peter F · September 19, 2015

Either they knew it wasn't a bomb or they are total imbeciles.

Yes, if they thought it could possibly be a bomb I am quite sure things would have played out differently. I find it unbelievable that in 2015 after 14 years

of War-on-Terror, colour coded alerts, shootings in schools, underwear bombers, shoe bombers etc, that the principle and most certainly the police would think that the thing may be a bomb but do absolutely nothing about it possibly being a bomb.

It follows then that they knew it was no bomb.

Big Guy · September 19, 2015

I am attempting to be objective in this discussion since I have been personally involved in difficult situations in schools. It proved to not be a bomb but I suggest that no one knew what it was. Those in charge of children would have to assume that it might be something that could be dangerous to the children. The safe situation is to treat it as a threat until it can be proven to not be.

I have had the opportunity to see a picture of the device and I certainly would not identify it as a clock.

I still feel that there was no discrimination involved in this case but just people in charge of children reacting to what they think is the safety of the child.

Personally, I would prefer that people err on the side of caution when they have a responsibility for other peoples children.

Wilber · September 19, 2015

Well Big Guy, whether it was discrimination or not, they did absolutely nothing to protect themselves or their kids from a possible explosion. That is not erring on the side of caution.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Wilber

Peter F · September 19, 2015

I still feel that there was no discrimination involved in this case but just people in charge of children reacting to what they think is the safety of the child.

and how did their actions relate to the safety of the child?

Canada_First · September 19, 2015

Well Big Guy, whether it was discrimination or not, they did absolutely nothing to protect themselves or their kids from a possible explosion. That is not erring on the side of caution.

Sure they did. Was anyone hurt in the explosion?