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[drummindiver]

Not sure what you are referring to? CC clearly showed he didn't care about Scottys facts.

I deleted before you responded as no sense in debating anything on this forum.

Clearly, the conservatives forced the family from their safe haven into trying to enter countries illegally in a dangerous fashion. It's not Bashar al Assad or ISIS or anybody's fault but Stephen Harpers.

[waldo]

Clearly, the conservatives forced the family from their safe haven into trying to enter countries illegally in a dangerous fashion.

please sir... no need for you to continue to play up that single image in an attempt to distract/deflect from the failed Harper Conservative policies... move on, think 'big-picture', hey!

[On Guard for Thee]

Not sure what you are referring to? CC clearly showed he didn't care about Scottys facts.

I deleted before you responded as no sense in debating anything on this forum.

Clearly, the conservatives forced the family from their safe haven into trying to enter countries illegally in a dangerous fashion. It's not Bashar al Assad or ISIS or anybody's fault but Stephen Harpers.

If you're going to try and tie the Harper gov's failures to address a refugee crisis to one incident, then yes, clearly no sense debating.

[On Guard for Thee]

please sir... no need for you to continue to play up that single image in an attempt to distract/deflect from the failed Harper Conservative policies... move on, think 'big-picture', hey!

Oops, had my head down typing. Didn't see you had already addressed that.

[drummindiver]

lol

Failed Harper policies? Cite, explanation, anything?
Sorry, I could talk about drummindiver in the third hey or I could sit here and blame Harper and those damn muricans for everything, but again, debating with ppl on here is like telling creationists that the world is over 7 thousand yrs old...no amount of evidence will shake their beliefs. Were you there?

[GostHacked]

And who cares CY? The only reason it is brought up is to attack harper. It is not a Canadian problem. You just cant keep bringing everyone to Canada . Now trudeau wants to bring in 25gs right away. Can you see the problem with that?

The problem was being part of NATO. The support for the FSA via Turkey with training facilities and weapons combined with air strikes directly contributes to this huge refugee crisis we are seeing in Europe. Or have we forgot about how these people became refugees?

[waldo]

lol

Failed Harper policies? Cite, explanation, anything?

if you're simply going to drop yourself into a thread... and ignore it's complete content... then... why bother!

[capricorn]

Re the stats waldo posted, I wondered if the main reason our position globally fell is due to the fact that refugees from the ME increased dramatically in that period and those refugees were more apt to seek asylum in Europe or neighboring ME countries rather than Canada. I searched but could not find any numbers in short order that would support that possibility.

[Shady]

in 5 short years... Harper has driven Canada from 5th to 15th place in the list of countries receiving refugees - UNHCR Asylum Trends:

... also per the UNHDR, (refugees, resettlement and asylum), Canada ranks 41st in the world per-capita:

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Good, I'm glad, 15th was too high in my opinion.

Edit. I meant 5th was too high.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Shady

[GostHacked]

I think you should try again.

First of all there are ONLY THREE Arab states in the chart out of 33 listed. Lebanon and Jordan (and Syria - what the hell is Syria doing there? They are the source of refugees not the destination!!!!!!).

Second and most important of all, I said RICH Arab states (and oil rich states are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Arab Emirates and Qatar being run by Sheikhs. Neither of those three Arab states are rich or have oil!!!).

Libya was once a wealthy nation where the oil profits went back into the nation's infrastructure. Just another nation that needed 'international intervention' to become yet another crap hole that created the conditions for terrorists to take over and cause problems.

Just like Afghanistan, just like Iraq, just like Syria, just like Yemen. Surprised no one has seen the pattern here. Unless they are blind.

[drummindiver]

Uh, who do you think you are Waldo? I can join, or leave, any thread any time I want. I am not banned. Why bother indeed to read your insipid posts, yelling down ppl as stooped if you don't agree.

You continually post crap without evidence and ignore calls for cites.

Your last post again proves this point that has been brought up by many members.

[Shady]

Libya was once a wealthy nation where the oil profits went back into the nation's infrastructure. Just another nation that needed 'international intervention' to become yet another crap hole that created the conditions for terrorists to take over and cause problems.

Just like Afghanistan, just like Iraq, just like Syria, just like Yemen. Surprised no one has seen the pattern here. Unless they are blind.

Afghanistan and Yemen have always been crap holes. But I agree that Libya shouldn't have been messed with. Their leader had given up his nuclear weapons program and just wanted to be left alone.

[GostHacked]

I'm not a fan of brining people here because they have a bad life. It's much better to provide them with the necessities in their own country, and to do what we can to guarantee their peace and safety.

I am sure bombing Syria via airstrikes were helpful in that regard.

[waldo]

Uh, who do you think you are Waldo? I can join, or leave, any thread any time I want. I am not banned. Why bother indeed to read your insipid posts, yelling down ppl as stooped if you don't agree.

You continually post crap without evidence and ignore calls for cites.

Your last post again proves this point that has been brought up by many members.

if you're going to presume to call someone out... call participants in the thread out... for presumably failing to provide any substantiation concerning the failed policies of Harper/Harper Conservatives in regards to refugees, then clearly you haven't bothered to even scan the thread. Like I said, you simply dropped in... and dropped your nothing post!

perhaps you should start with the 2009 AG report that highlighted the failure by Harper Conservatives to properly maintain sufficient staffing to process applications.. that's over the preceding 4 years. Roll that little nugget forward to 2012 when then Harper Conservative Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, Jason Kenney, severly screwed the pooch by introducing the BigShutterOnProcessing... the 'SlowTrackExpress" with changes to the 5 person G5 sponsor category... that sir... that is the biggest fail of all! That sir, that is why very few refugees are being accepted... let alone even applying! So ya... #FailedHarperConservativeRefugeePolicy!

[waldo]

Afghanistan and Yemen have always been crap holes. But I agree that Libya shouldn't have been messed with. Their leader had given up his nuclear weapons program and just wanted to be left alone.

off track - thread distraction!

[waldo]

You continually post crap without evidence and ignore calls for cites.

I provide cites for most everything I put forward... for the likes of you to call it 'crap' means I've rattled your cage and you have nothing left but to wail/whine/thrash about... "mission accomplished", hey!

if you could actually put substance to screech, don't hesitate to provide a specific where you feel "evidence" has not been provided... or requested cites have been ignored. Thanks in advance.

[drummindiver]

Again, no failed Harper policy cite.

We have fewer refugees. After seeing what is going on in other parts of the world, I'd say that's a win.

It is your opinion that it is failed.

Stoopid to state your opinion is fact, or to refer to yourself in the third, or to say hey in almost everypost you write, or to never cite your "facts". But don't worry...I"m not saying you're stoopid....just that these things are.

[GostHacked]

Afghanistan and Yemen have always been crap holes. But I agree that Libya shouldn't have been messed with. Their leader had given up his nuclear weapons program and just wanted to be left alone.

Good of you to admit Libya should have been left alone. The nations who intervened in Libya looted their wealth. The real instigators there were Italy, France and the Brits. But then Canada pitched in because the argument we needed to support the instigators. You know, the threat of terrorism and influx of refugees fleeing some situation.

[On Guard for Thee]

Again, no failed Harper policy cite.

We have fewer refugees. After seeing what is going on in other parts of the world, I'd say that's a win.

It is your opinion that it is failed.

Stoopid to state your opinion is fact, or to refer to yourself in the third, or to say hey in almost everypost you write, or to never cite your "facts". But don't worry...I"m not saying you're stoopid....just that these things are.

Not only have the CPC failed on immigration, they lie about it when they get caught out on it. Anybody who watched PnP when Chris Alexander got caught red handed by Rosie Barton could see that clearly.

[waldo]

Again, no failed Harper policy cite.

We have fewer refugees. After seeing what is going on in other parts of the world, I'd say that's a win.

It is your opinion that it is failed.

Stoopid to state your opinion is fact, or to refer to yourself in the third, or to say hey in almost everypost you write, or to never cite your "facts". But don't worry...I"m not saying you're stoopid....just that these things are.

you can continue to ignore provided cites... you can also continue to ignore this from the most recent post I put forward:

perhaps you should start with the 2009 AG report that highlighted the failure by Harper Conservatives to properly maintain sufficient staffing to process applications.. that's over the preceding 4 years. Roll that little nugget forward to 2012 when then Harper Conservative Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, Jason Kenney, severly screwed the pooch by introducing the BigShutterOnProcessing... the 'SlowTrackExpress" with changes to the 5 person G5 sponsor category... that sir... that is the biggest fail of all! That sir, that is why very few refugees are being accepted... let alone even applying! So ya... #FailedHarperConservativeRefugeePolicy!

2009 AG report - Appointments to the Immigration and Refugee Board

as for cites... when have YOU ever provided anything to support/substantiate your ongoing screech and prattle (i.e. your OPINION)?

[Keepitsimple]

you can continue to ignore provided cites... you can also continue to ignore this from the most recent post I put forward:

perhaps you should start with the

2009 AG report

that highlighted the failure by Harper Conservatives to properly maintain sufficient staffing to process applications.. that's over the preceding 4 years.

2009 AG report - Appointments to the Immigration and Refugee Board

as for cites... when have YOU ever provided anything to support/substantiate your ongoing screech and prattle (i.e. your OPINION)?

Gee, wasn't it your previous post that pointed out that Canada was #5 in the world for accepting refugees in 2010? See what happens when you cherry-pick data to further your own agenda?

Edited September 6, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[Big Guy]

Time for the PMO to pivot. Public opinion is building. There was a possibility that Harper could diffuse this tsunami of sentiment by calling the leaders together and beginning some process similar to the Vietnamese process. Get government officials on airplanes to Europe, do the processing there and fly the successful refugees back.

But

Trudeau beat him to it. Trudeau made that suggestion and Mulcair agreed as did May. Harper has been outmaneuvered and is now between the rock and the hard place. If he agrees, he shows weakness and it costs him - if he continues to disagree and keep focussing on the fighting (war) then he is going to be in trouble.

Either Harper gets in front of this growing wave quickly or he is going to get swept up in it.

Time for Harper to pivot, take his lumps and try to get this behind him.

[waldo]

Gee, wasn't it your previous post that pointed out that Canada was #5 in the world for accepting refugees in 2010? See what happens when you cherry-pick data to further your own agenda?

purrfect! There's nothing sweeter than to have you drop in and offer pompous comment on something you clearly know nothing about! One graphic is specific to asylum... the other (the latter) is all inclusive... resettlement and asylum, something I pointedly draw attention to! Nice try Simple - thanks for playing!

just so you're clear... that was dropping from 5th to 15th place in 5 years... under Harper Conservatives (vis-a-vis asylum); that was positioning as 41st place, per capita, in 2014... under Harper Conservatives (vis-a-vis resettlement & asylum).

[Army Guy]

that's your shot? Are you feeling just a tad frustrated with the waldo pointing out your failings? Here's a thought: "news", as you say, comes in many forms... several mediums... that particular 'cartoon' video I linked to is from 'Mark Fiore'... a Pulitzer Prize winner for editorial cartooning... his work regularly publishes as a part of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper's online presence. His history includes being published by some of the most profiled and prestigious news outlets (print and online)... Washington Post, LA Times, Newsweek, WSJ, CNN, Slate, CBSNews, Frontline, etc..

say ya... now you/"we" know, hey!

Thats my shot, to over the top for you i can tone it down if you like..... And no frustrations here , not from the great Waldo how could anyone get frustrated with your superiority, your vast worldly knowledge on all things.....joking aside, i do value your opinion, i don't have to agree with it, but i do value your content most of the time...there are times your like a dog with a bone, nothing will change your mind, regardless of what facts are being brought up..

[Army Guy]

in 5 short years... Harper has driven Canada from 5th to 15th place in the list of countries receiving refugees - UNHCR Asylum Trends:

... also per the UNHDR, (refugees, resettlement and asylum), Canada ranks 41st in the world per-capita:

.

Now this is quit a graph you got Waldo......Canada 41 st .....shit did you know we were beaten out by Syria, and Afghanistan....thats bad considering a full third of their population is now roaming the streets of europe with another third on its way......what it does do however is compare refugees figures base on GDP figures i guess countries with high GDP numbers and low populations are favoured here.....How about refugees compared per every thousands of population.....Those smaller countries with high population rates don't fair out that well.....then there is the Number of refugees per 1000 Km2......no consideration to how much is actually populated or useable.....canada sure lost in that category...... and i've been told i was mining info to target one guy.....good list though...