FearandLoathing Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Your stats are cherry picked, skewed, and not quantified. Make a serious attempt at least, but other than that, vote for whomever you choose. Lets face it though, no one's surprised about your hate on for Harper since you've been a hard left wing activist. Cherry picked? Please, that's a socialist tactic to claim falsehood and hide. If you have data that disputes the above, as implicated, post them or close the pie hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Well other than the fact he took a hefty surplus handed to him, almost immediately turned it into a deficit, Damn him for causing the financial recession! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Harper has added over $150 billion to the debt. This has completely decimated the work that the Liberals did to pay down the debt while they were in power. This PM has been a disaster on Canada's economic situation. http://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/ It continues to amuse me how the Left, which was shrieking for giant economic incentives only a few years back, now seems to have fully distanced themselves from it in their own minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I have asked this question before. How has harpers policies hurt anyone here. All it did for me was lower taxes. Unfortunately I live in ONT so any savings from him gets taken by the liberal government. I have been hurt by the liberal government and I do not want their policies thru out the whole country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) A brief history of the debt in Canada begins with Pierre Trudeau, who quadrupled spending, and basically created the debt. When he handed the place over to Mulroney we had double digit inflation and double digit unemployment, along with a huge debt and deficit. Mulroney had to spend $40 billion per year just on INTEREST on the Trudeau debt. So under him the debt grew even though he cut spending. Along comes Chretien. The debt continued to rise for the first several years of big recessions before the world economy began to boom (especially the US economy) and money began to flow into government coffers. The deficit disappeared and the government was awash with money, in large part because of the GST Chretien had fought against and promised to abolish. What do do with it? Hmm, put money back into health care and social spending, which had been heavily cut by the Liberals? No need! Mr. Chretien had one interest and only one interest, and that was in the poll numbers. As long as he had a divided opposition he was going to keep that money available and uncommitted, ready to be used at need. So Martin used it largely to pay down the debt. This continued until Chretien was on the way out, and unhappy about it. He brought in several very expensive programs, committing much of the surplus to them and locking the money in so it wouldn't be available to Martin to play with. Martin made big promises anyway, but lost. Along came Harper, and cut taxes, increased spending on social programs, and yet still had a surplus to pay down the debt, for the first couple of years anyway. then comes the financial crisis, and we know what happened there. Edited August 10, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Conservative times are tough times - I can't imagine Harper's re-election with two separate recessions during his watch. Canadians will cast their votes on the gov'ts record, not it's rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Conservative times are tough times - I can't imagine Harper's re-election with two separate recessions during his watch. Canadians will cast their votes on the gov'ts record, not it's rhetoric. So you're saying the recessions were Harper's fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Damn him for causing the financial recession! Harper had us heading well into deficit prior to the recession. Check your facts from time to time maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Harper had us heading well into deficit prior to the recession. Check your facts from time to time maybe. I don't think facts are really something you have a lot of interest in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I don't think facts are really something you have a lot of interest in. Well apparently you don't when it comes to federal budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Harper had us heading well into deficit prior to the recession. That's not any more true this time. We entered deficit after the rejection of the fiscal update by the opposition parties. That forced the government into an immediate large stimulus scheme. That's where the 2008 - 2009 deficit came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Well apparently you don't when it comes to federal budgets. No economist predicted any kind of deficit when the 2008 - 2009 budget was brought down. You're being deliberately dishonest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 No economist predicted any kind of deficit when the 2008 - 2009 budget was brought down. You're being deliberately dishonest. 06/07 Harper inherited a surplus of 13.8 billion which he turned into a 5.8 billion deficit within 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 06/07 Harper inherited a surplus of 13.8 billion which he turned into a 5.8 billion deficit within 2 years. All by himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 No economist predicted any kind of deficit when the 2008 - 2009 budget was brought down. You're being deliberately dishonest. No I'm not. I didn't make up the budget numbers. Now if you wanna talk dishonesty, let's take a look at your buddy Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 06/07 Harper inherited a surplus of 13.8 billion which he turned into a 5.8 billion deficit within 2 years. Another dumb statement which ignores economic reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 All by himself?Yes.That's the only way he rolls. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Who do you think sustains a healthy economy and moves money around for commerce? There is a reason the most decisive efforts in the last 100 years to bring down the rich and distribute it to the poor were also the largest humans disasters in that same period of time. Link? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Another dumb statement which ignores economic reality. Then explain how Harper spent that much more money in such a short time. You'd be apoplectic if another party did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Yes. That's the only way he rolls. . There may have been some help from a certain recession and parliamentary crisis. No I'm not. I didn't make up the budget numbers. Now if you wanna talk dishonesty, let's take a look at your buddy Harper. You did make that up, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) There may have been some help from a certain recessionIs there a PM in recent history who didn't have to deal with a recession?Did Harper et al give them a hard time about spending? and parliamentary crisis.Is there a PM in recent history who didn't have to deal with one of those too?Harper was pretty quick to abandon his principles to stay in power wasn't he? Edited August 10, 2015 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Then explain how Harper spent that much more money in such a short time. You'd be apoplectic if another party did that. Some of it he returned to us in the form of tax breaks. Other money was spent on economic incentives, and of course, incoming income was greatly reduced as we entered a recession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Is there a PM in recent history who didn't have to deal with a recession? Trudeau had boom years and no debt when he took over. While a bad recession did appear later, by that time he had quadrupled spending and ran up a huge debt, but he gets no criticism from the Left. Mulroney had a deep recession his entire time in office, and had to pay $40 billion a year on the Trudeau debt, but he gets no credit for that from the Left. In fact, the amount the debt increased under double digit interest rates gets used to show how bad conservatives are at fiscal management. Chretien had a huge debt the first four years in office, but the Left seems to forget that. Just as it forgets that he got out of it by slashing social spending and by the huge money which came in from the GST he had fought and campaigned against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Some of it he returned to us in the form of tax breaks.How much?What would you say if the Libs spent a surplus on tax breaks for their voters? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 How much? What would you say if the Libs spent a surplus on tax breaks for their voters? . You don't 'spend' money on cutting taxes. It's our money to begin with. All that money you're complaining about the government not having, we have instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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