Talk of Coalition? Add another 4% to Harper's numbers

[August1991]

To rid Canada of Harper (Heave Steve), will Liberal voters choose Mulcair and the NDP?

Harper vs Mulcair: What's your Canada?

Edited July 26, 2015 by August1991

[jacee]

To rid Canada of Harper (Heave Steve), will Liberal voters choose Mulcair and the NDP?

Yup.

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[WWWTT]

Is this a thread or status update?

WWWTT

[eyeball]

Yup.

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That won't do it, they need to choose one or the other. Choosing both will only stay the stupid course.

[Vancouver King]

Return to Duffy.... subtract 4 points off Harper.

[jacee]

That won't do it, they need to choose one or the other. Choosing both will only stay the stupid course.

A formal coalition isn't necessary. If the election results in a minority NDP government ...

- Harper will quit and the Cons will be in disarray because he's the only 'decider'

- the NDP will court Liberal support for its legislation

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[Topaz]

I don't think Justin should have ruled out a coalition IF it is good for the country. One item , I have notice is even though the NDP are in the lead, why are the Tories going after the Liberals and not much on the NDP? Has the NDP and the Tories working together to get the NDP elected and then try to get rid of the senate or something else, like the hatred Harper has for the Liberal party?

[Keepitsimple]

I don't think Justin should have ruled out a coalition IF it is good for the country. One item , I have notice is even though the NDP are in the lead, why are the Tories going after the Liberals and not much on the NDP? Has the NDP and the Tories working together to get the NDP elected and then try to get rid of the senate or something else, like the hatred Harper has for the Liberal party?

Yep - you nailed it - Harper is trying to get the NDP elected.

[Smallc]

Yep - you nailed it - Harper is trying to get the NDP elected.

That's always been my suspicion as well.

[overthere]

I don't think Justin should have ruled out a coalition IF it is good for the country. One item , I have notice is even though the NDP are in the lead, why are the Tories going after the Liberals and not much on the NDP? Has the NDP and the Tories working together to get the NDP elected and then try to get rid of the senate or something else, like the hatred Harper has for the Liberal party?

Trudeau has supposedly ruled out a coalition because 1) he has to pretend he is going to the PM in a majority, a pretense he must sustain for as long as possible 2) he knows that he will be the junior partner, which in the history of most parliamentary democracies is an express train to early retirement.

Harper is currently chasing the Liberal vote because his chances of getting Lib voters to switch to him are better than than trying to woo NDP loyalists.

[Vancouver King]

Trudeau has ruled out a formal coalition only and he has pointedly said nothing of an informal cooperation between Liberals and the NDP.

This would accomplish three high priority goals: Driving Harper from office by Liberals, driving Harper from office by New Democrats and more important, driving Harper from office by the 3 of 4 voters who want him gone (77% according to Abacus).

[Argus]

I don't think Justin should have ruled out a coalition IF it is good for the country. One item , I have notice is even though the NDP are in the lead, why are the Tories going after the Liberals and not much on the NDP? Has the NDP and the Tories working together to get the NDP elected and then try to get rid of the senate or something else, like the hatred Harper has for the Liberal party?

The NDP's time will come. My own personal belief is that people know very little about them and their policies. During an election campaign the Tories will ensure that the scariest and dumbest of those policies will come out into the light, and scare people away from the NDP. But he wants to knock down the Liberals first, otherwise those who desert the NDP will just make Trudeau PM.

[overthere]

The NDP's time will come. My own personal belief is that people know very little about them and their policies. During an election campaign the Tories will ensure that the scariest and dumbest of those policies will come out into the light, and scare people away from the NDP. But he wants to knock down the Liberals first, otherwise those who desert the NDP will just make Trudeau PM.

Sort of.... Harper has to first get the soft centre away from the Libs, which he did last election to gain a majority. he is not going to gain anything anytime from the NDP believers, but he does not need any of their votes to gain another majority. We will see Con ads soon that will make it a stark choice between Cons and NDP. If Lib wafflers see that their cause is lost, they'll have to decide if they want to second fiddle to Mulcair in Opposition, second fiddle in a coalition, or disappear altogether.

But meantime, people that vote want their vote to count- which is why soft Libs are the key to winning the elction outright.

A scare for Mulcair is surely the Bloc. Will they be a resurgent threat under Duceppe? It is hard to imagine the Bloc not getting some seats back in PQ. Can Mulcair make that up, plus much more, elsewhere?

[Evening Star]

A scare for Mulcair is surely the Bloc. Will they be a resurgent threat under Duceppe? It is hard to imagine the Bloc not getting some seats back in PQ.

Why is that hard? Duceppe was their leader when they were destroyed in the last election.

[Smallc]

Why is that hard? Duceppe was their leader when they were destroyed in the last election.

Yeah I don't get what the deal is with that. Duceppe isn't going to change anything. Either Harper or MulcIr will win a decisive victory I think. I just couldn't tell you which one.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Smallc

[August1991]

We will see Con ads soon that will make it a stark choice between Cons and NDP.

No. If we such ads, it will mean that Harper is desperate.

A scare for Mulcair is surely the Bloc. Will they be a resurgent threat under Duceppe?

Not Duceppe; but rather a wild MP bimbo/anglophone Ruth Ellen Brosseau irruption. In general, outside of the Le Devoir echo chamber, people in French Quebec are tired.

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[August1991]

If you ever see CPC negative ads about the NDP, you'll know that Harper is desperate and afraid of really losing.

In the mean time, it will be anti-Liberal, anti-Trudeau Jnr all-the-time, everyday. Why?

1. In a federal match between Harper/CPC vs Mulcair/NDP, Harper wins. Harper (like Obama and Bush Jnr) understands wedge politics: you're either with me and good/cool, or you're evil/foolish/dangerous

2. Canada's anglo Toronto MSM will defend Trudeau Jnr/federal Liberals - and Harper will look like the honest guy.

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Gawd I hate this new foeum editing. Greg, please fix it.

Edited July 28, 2015 by August1991

[overthere]

If you ever see CPC negative ads about the NDP, you'll know that Harper is desperate and afraid of really losing.

Rubbish. There are three parties involved, not two.

Harper cannot let Mulcair get a free pass, which involves the NDP picking up soft centre seats from Trudeau.

That would be stupid, and Harper is not stupid.

He doesn't mind the NDP fighting it out for the lefty vote that he'll never get, but all the rest of them are on the table, and he won't just roll over and play dead.

The ads will involve mockery fo the cost of all the NDP promises.

[Argus]

If I was one of those rich millionaire types and decided I wanted to put some ads up to counter all those lying liberal and NDP ads being run by the unions I think I would focus on the plan by the Liberals and NDP to change elections as we know it, to change how Canada is run.

Imagine the sorrowful voiceover, "Canada, a land renowned throughout the world, for its stability", over pictures of Canada, headlines of majority governments winning elections, then the pictures shift to Greece, to Italy, to Spain "but the Liberals and NDP want to change all that. They want to change the way Canada elects its MPs in order to benefit themselves, and throw away Canada's heritage of strong, stable government. Under the NDP and Liberal plans, Canada wold probably never again have a majority government (cue more scenes of political chaos in pr countries, headlines of countries taking months after elections trying to forge coalitions). "Instead, shaky coalitions would rule in a continuing political climate where elections can be held any time, and where governments rarely last more than a year and a half. Small single-issue parties with only a few seats could wield enormous influence as major parties try to form coalitions, and all the hard decisions would be postponed - permanently."

Cue to bad pictures of Mulcair and Trudeau.

"Don't let these men take away your heritage. Don't let them destroy Canada's political stability out of their own selfish political ambition."

[Keepitsimple]

If I was one of those rich millionaire types and decided I wanted to put some ads up to counter all those lying liberal and NDP ads being run by the unions I think I would focus on the plan by the Liberals and NDP to change elections as we know it, to change how Canada is run.

Imagine the sorrowful voiceover, "Canada, a land renowned throughout the world, for its stability", over pictures of Canada, headlines of majority governments winning elections, then the pictures shift to Greece, to Italy, to Spain "but the Liberals and NDP want to change all that. They want to change the way Canada elects its MPs in order to benefit themselves, and throw away Canada's heritage of strong, stable government. Under the NDP and Liberal plans, Canada wold probably never again have a majority government (cue more scenes of political chaos in pr countries, headlines of countries taking months after elections trying to forge coalitions). "Instead, shaky coalitions would rule in a continuing political climate where elections can be held any time, and where governments rarely last more than a year and a half. Small single-issue parties with only a few seats could wield enormous influence as major parties try to form coalitions, and all the hard decisions would be postponed - permanently."

Cue to bad pictures of Mulcair and Trudeau.

"Don't let these men take away your heritage. Don't let them destroy Canada's political stability out of their own selfish political ambition."

It's actually pretty accurate. Another "truth ad".......and yes - that also goes for Liberal majority governments.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[August1991]

Rubbish. There are three parties involved, not two.

Yes, there are three parties involved - but it is to Harper's advantage if there are only two: the NDP and the CPC.

Harper is forcing the "soft centre" to decide. It's called wedge politics. And when voters (in Ontario) are forced to choose between the CPC and the NDP, Harper knows that he will win.

Edited July 30, 2015 by August1991