Bryan Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 You can learn about different cultures online. It isn't hard. You really can't. I'll use Cuba as an example only because it's where I usually go. Almost everything I saw and read before I went was ridiculously incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I remember a time when travelling by myself was almost unthinkable. It's usually not my favourite idea either, but for some reason I've got it in my head that cycling through a new place would be a great way to really get to know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 How long does it take to get to from Seattle? 14 hrs from Vancouver, give or take. Came back in under 13 last November. Somewhat expensive but a beautiful country with a great variety of geography (the North and South Islands are very different), interesting culture and friendly people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Lived in Tbilisi Georgia for some months and drove from Azerbaijan to the Black Sea once and flew myself over it a number of times. The Caucasus mountains are as good as mountains get I guess, and the culture, stuck somewhere between the old USSR and new Europe was an education. Lovely local wines and beautiful women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I find it ironic that one of our local climate alarmists doesn't see any problem with spending lots of fuel traveling around the world and eating fancy food. If the world is doomed if we don't drastically cut emissions, why are you unnecessarily increasing your CO2 footprint? Seems like you're mixing apples and oranges here. I'm not aware of any of the vacation planners here being what you would label a "climate alarmist." I am, and I sure as hell wish I had more company in my at least 10 years now as a climate alarmist. I'm not traveling mostly for financial and family reasons, but when it comes to attacking the manmade carbon emissions issue, I believe in going after the big game: governments, international corporations and the banks that finance them, who are responsible for the "tight" and "unconventional" oil developments, as well as the great almost unmentioned climate destroyers: Big Ag factory farming (between 25% and 30% of human carbon production) as well as the increasing carbon contribution coming from the increasing transportation demands of all of these new bullshit "free" trade schemes. My main caution about international travel now...as I mentioned before is the increasing global instability that we can witness in rising conflicts and refugee migrations.....I guess that's something we can learn about on the internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Big government and corporations gave us the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Big government and corporations gave us the Internet. Correction: it was big government that created and established the internet. The corporations swooped in...like they always do...to take advantage of it once the hard work of developing it was established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'm not traveling mostly for financial and family reasons, but when it comes to attacking the manmade carbon emissions issue, I believe in going after the big game: governments, international corporations and the banks that finance them, who are responsible for the "tight" and "unconventional" oil developments So you are all for fighting for climate change, as long as someone else has to reduce emissions. Is that how it works? How hypocritical. as well as the increasing carbon contribution coming from the increasing transportation demands of all of these new bullshit "free" trade schemes. Free trade allows countries to take advantage of comparative advantage and as a result makes society more prosperous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) You can learn about different cultures online. It isn't hard. I know what things smell like. If someone says the sea smells salty, I know what salty smells like. For sounds, you just need headphones and a computer. For sights, again you just need a computer screen. For tastes, there are all sorts of restaurants where I live, or I can go buy the ingredients and make it myself. So you've never traveled, then. Shocker. So you are all for fighting for climate change, as long as someone else has to reduce emissions. Is that how it works? How hypocritical. Those planes are flying whether I'm on there or not. Edited July 21, 2015 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Those planes are flying whether I'm on there or not. Okay. Pretend that extra weight doesn't cause planes to use more fuel or that plane companies don't try to vary the number of planes flying to meet demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 So you've never traveled, then. Shocker. Yes, how sad. I love travel. Have many fond memories from camping as a kid to getting lost and trying to understand people in a far off land. When my wife and I went to Thailand/Laos/Vietnam last year we went with a tour and met people from Germany, Britain, Toronto, and Australia and have become friends with some of them which will lead to opportunities in the future. So travel is social and it's about experiences in the real world that can't be matched by sitting in ones basement with an internet connection while worrying about tide levels rising and droughts. Besides, it's like eating seafood - if you don't do it now then it may not be around when you do want to do it (or, more likely, you may not be around when you want to do it). So, I better get to Malta soon I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Correction: it was big government that created and established the internet. The corporations swooped in...like they always do...to take advantage of it once the hard work of developing it was established. No....corporations were directly involved in responses to government RFPs and designs for packet switching protocols. The non-profit RAND Corporation is an example, as was Xerox later on (Ethernet). Also, public and private universities were important contributors as well. Today, it is possible to "travel" to many parts of the world with only an internet connection. Edited July 22, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Talk about thread drift!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Today, it is possible to "travel" to many parts of the world with only an internet connection. Sure, and throw in some sexy robot and call it sex tourism too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sure, and throw in some sexy robot and call it sex tourism too. Sorry...but millions of people avail themselves of the Interwebs to meet new people and "go places". It doesn't replace physical travel and that wonderful "tourism" experience....it compliments that experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sorry...but millions of people avail themselves of the Interwebs to meet new people and "go places". It doesn't replace physical travel and that wonderful "tourism" experience....it compliments that experience. Maybe you meant complements the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Okay. Pretend that extra weight doesn't cause planes to use more fuel or that plane companies don't try to vary the number of planes flying to meet demand. The implication that if one is concerned about climate change, one should thus live a pre-industrial lifestyle is completely fatuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 The implication that if one is concerned about climate change, one should thus live a pre-industrial lifestyle is completely fatuous. I'm confused. Who are you implying is implying this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 I'm confused. Who are you implying is implying this? that would be... you! Or are your following posts simply being misinterpreted? That must be it, right? I find it ironic that one of our local climate alarmists doesn't see any problem with spending lots of fuel traveling around the world and eating fancy food. If the world is doomed if we don't drastically cut emissions, why are you unnecessarily increasing your CO2 footprint? So you are all for fighting for climate change, as long as someone else has to reduce emissions. Is that how it works? How hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 that would be... you! Or are your following posts simply being misinterpreted? That must be it, right? I did not imply that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Unless you still got school-age children at home to limit most vacations to July and August, I don't know why Canadians would leave in the summer months.....the only time of the year you're usually guaranteed good weather to do stuff outdoors. Edited July 23, 2015 by WIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 The implication that if one is concerned about climate change, one should thus live a pre-industrial lifestyle is completely fatuous. It's the bullshit position from the right that reduces all social issues to matters of personal morality....or tries to! Nevermind Obama quietly giving the go-ahead yesterday for Shell's new drilling leases in the Arctic (*notice that crap like this and getting fasttrack through Congress always happens under the cover of big news events), the real issue is whether you've got all of your low energy lightbulbs and keep the tires on your car inflated to the proper pressure! I think Al Gore and other green capitalists who started looking at looming environmental disaster for business opportunities, are a big part of the blame on this one! Most of the leading environmental spokesmen and organizations shifted the discussion from government and corporate responsibility to matters of personal consumer choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Al Gore was always a false prophet...be careful of which American front men one worships from Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Al Gore was always a false prophet...be careful of which American front men one worships from Canada. See! Everybody can agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Unless you still got school-age children at home to limit most vacations to July and August, I don't know why Canadians would leave in the summer months.....the only time of the year you're usually guaranteed good weather to do stuff outdoors. Cause it's also the best time to see a lot of other places unless you are into winter sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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