Canada_First Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah you just hate Blacks, Middle Easterns, Hispanics, Asians. That is over 80% of world's population. So much hate. You or your group are very nice people!!!!!!!. May be Canada should have barred white Rhodesian supremacist immigrants on the basis of being contrary to our culture. I don't hate anyone. I've never said that I do hate.I'm fine with any race from Europe who are civilized and are assimilated already into a compatible culture and society. I don't want Israel,Jew, women and gay hating cultures in Canada. I don't see how that makes us a better nation. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Well based on his own saying he hates them all not just one of them. I was just pointing a finger based on the latter statement in your post. i.e. how the racism displayed runs so counter to typical Canadian sentiments. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I was just pointing a finger based on the latter statement in your post. i.e. how the racism displayed runs so counter to typical Canadian sentiments. Explain how importing people who hate Jews women and gays will make Canada better. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I don't hate anyone. I've never said that I do hate. I'm fine with any race from Europe who are civilized and are assimilated already into a compatible culture and society. I don't want Israel,Jew, women and gay hating cultures in Canada. I don't see how that makes us a better nation. Why you keep on limiting your pick to Europe then? Why you don't say like I do that "I am fine with anyone who is civilized and are assimilated already into a compatible culture and society?? Why? I have posted before that in my life I have met many non-Europeans (in 10 years I spend in various universities, in bars, in communities,....) and made friends with many of them. Many of them are as advanced and civilized if not more than many Europeans. It is not based on race or color or national origin but rather an individual thing. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Explain how importing people who hate Jews women and gays will make Canada better. There are many who hate all that you listed in Europe too. I know that as a fact as I lived there for a few years in childhood as my father was invited by research institutions in France, United Kingdom so I have lived in both places. There are groups of National Front sympathizers in UK for example who were physically attacking Jews and gays and especially colored people too. This was Europe. Not to mention Nazi Germany a few decades before that. Edited September 13, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 The inclusion of Jews to the acceptable groups list is a new thing for the far right. Cynical. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 The inclusion of Jews to the acceptable groups list is a new thing for the far right. Cynical. Exactly. Gays too. If you can't beat them then join them philosophy I suppose. Quote
Argus Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah you just hate Blacks, Middle Easterns, Hispanics, Asians. That is over 80% of world's population. So much hate. You or your group are very nice people!!!!!!!. May be Canada should have barred white Rhodesian supremacist immigrants on the basis of being contrary to our culture. Maybe instead of hurling insults you could actually try and discuss his statement. I mean, an intelligent, rational person ought to be able to show how it was mistaken, if indeed, you believe it to be. But that's not really your style, is it? You prefer to tell everyone that you don't know much about any of the subjects, while insulting those who talk about them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) The inclusion of Jews to the acceptable groups list is a new thing for the far right. Cynical. How do you know he's on the 'far right"? Do the far right normally say good things about Jews? Do you honestly think only the far right would prefer to have immigrants be mostly European? Edited September 13, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Maybe instead of hurling insults you could actually try and discuss his statement. I mean, an intelligent, rational person ought to be able to show how it was mistaken, if indeed, you believe it to be. But that's not really your style, is it? You prefer to tell everyone that you don't know much about any of the subjects, while insulting those who talk about them. Who hurls more insults than you and why only at people who disagree with you or your ilk? C'mon now. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Ok so you guys all refuse to answer my question about allowing people who hate groups which the left loves into Canada. Probably don't want to be public about your hypocrisy. I fully understand. I answer your questions yet you all refuse and instead deflect. Typical. Quote
Argus Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Who hurls more insults than you and why only at people who disagree with you or your ilk? C'mon now. I don't insult anyone. When it comes to your type I'm flattering you even to waste my time describing your faults. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 The utter lack of reflexivity is astonishing. Quote
Argus Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Why you keep on limiting your pick to Europe then? Why you don't say like I do that "I am fine with anyone who is civilized and are assimilated already into a compatible culture and society?? Why? Almost all the compatible cultures are in Europe. It's also a place were one can presume, in general, that people are socially and culturally adaptable to Canada. As opposed to the middle east, as one example. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 How do you know he's on the 'far right"? Do the far right normally say good things about Jews? Do you honestly think only the far right would prefer to have immigrants be mostly European? I didn't say anything about him. He was talking about "European and Christiian" right ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I don't insult anyone. When it comes to your type I'm flattering you even to waste my time describing your faults. And yours have been brought to your attention a number of times here. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) As I said I am no expert in Haitian politics but it is not Canada's nature to do what US and UK have done frequently that is to overthrow nationalist governments like in Iran and Chile to rob them of their wealth or install their own puppet regimes in order to protect their own self interest.... Sorry, but Canada very much supports regimes and coups that serve its national and corporate interests (e.g. mining, oil services. etc.). Canada was in bed with the military junta than ran Myanmar (Burma). Ditto PM Martin making deals with Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. http://www.cfob.org/mining.html Furthermore, Canada recruits emigres from third world nations for health care and other professional positions, stealing badly needed skills and education from those people who need it most. Lastly, Canada very much supports U.S. and U.K. "regimes" as a matter of economic, military, and geopolitical self interest, while a good number of its citizens pretend to look the other way. Edited September 13, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canada_First Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I didn't say anything about him. He was talking about "European and Christiian" right ? Eurocentric and Christian type. They not necessarily need to be Christian. Just be socially and culturally assimilated into our society type which was built on Christian ideals.How will it make Canada a better, stronger nation by importing cultures that generally hate Israel, Jews, homosexuals and view women as little more than property and second class citizens? Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Ok so you guys all refuse to answer my question about allowing people who hate groups which the left loves into Canada. Probably don't want to be public about your hypocrisy. I fully understand. I answer your questions yet you all refuse and instead deflect. Typical. Not so. First of all you did not answer my question and that was if you don't hate anyone why you wish to ban 80% of population who are non-Europeans and call them names especially Muslims (refer to your own posts). And you refused to comment when I said I have met many Europeans who also hate Jews and homosexuals and women. And many non-Europeans who are more progressive and advance thinking and respectful than many Europeans. You just refused. The fundamental of your question is incorrect. We want to select pick everyone European or not who are highly skillful and can contribute to Canada and make this country better and who are adopted to our compassionate kind way of life, European or whatever else is there. You wish to limit your intake to European Christians only so based on your question everyone who is a non-European or non Christian is a leftist or the left loves to bring into Canada?? What a generalization!!!. And no we don't want to bring anyone who hates or anyone who is extreme left or right. We have said it again and again that those who have no respect for women and who do not believe in equality regardless of race, gender, religion, national origin, sexual orientation should be banned and these people could be in any continent including Europe and I gave you examples out of my own personal experiences. Edited September 13, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Peter F Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Eurocentric and Christian type. They not necessarily need to be Christian. Just be socially and culturally assimilated into our society type which was built on Christian ideals. How will it make Canada a better, stronger nation by importing cultures that generally hate Israel, Jews, homosexuals and view women as little more than property and second class citizens? Because its not about the immigrant (outside of does the immigrant have a criminal record) immigration is about those that the immigrant begets. The kids will be paying gst like everyone else and in all likelyhood not sitting in prison and paying income tax to boot. The immigrants grand-kids will be much the same. And thats ALL that matters. Wether they are nice guys or go to church or pick their noses in public doesn't amount to snot where immigration is concerned. Its all about their kids. Edited September 13, 2015 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 How will it make Canada a better, stronger nation by importing cultures that generally hate Israel, Jews, homosexuals and view women as little more than property and second class citizens? "Generally" ... As in generalize. It doesn't matter what the individual is like if you judge them by factors such as background Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) To suggest the West is to blame for millennial of unrest and fighting in the ME is bordering on the ludicrous and surreal Yes that would be ludicrous, but what's even more ludicrous is believing that's what I suggested. This is why you people can't get and probably don't deserve much respect for your views or the way you present them. Edited September 13, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Almost all the compatible cultures are in Europe. It's also a place were one can presume, in general, that people are socially and culturally adaptable to Canada. As opposed to the middle east, as one example. Seriously your comment is so flawed. My only conclusion is that you have very limited experience with non-Europeans. Likely you assume them guilty and refuse association. Your comment is completely contrary to my personal experiences. I have met many people of various races and nationalities. I have traveled a lot. Lived in many countries between few weeks to few years. Met many nationalities in the universities and place of work as well. IT IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE AS YOU SEE IT. There are many nice people of European origin and many assholes too. There are many nice people of non-European origin and many assholes too. It is not a race specific or continent specific thing. That said I admit percentage wise the percentage of those adoptable to our culture is higher in Western and Latin Europe than the rest of the world and likely lowest in Asia and Middle East Again it varies where in Asia and middle east. Highest adoptable percent being Japan and Iran and Turkey respectively). Edited September 13, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
eyeball Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 See, here is where your logic is messed up. "Revolts against dictatorships, several of which the West supported". So, if the west supports them, we are guilty by association for their crimes. If we oppose them, we are interfering in their interior politics and guilty for their crimes. /facepalm... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I didn't say anything about him. He was talking about "European and Christiian" right ? You said he was on the far right. Let me ask you a question. If a public opinion poll was commissioned, and listed a dozen countries (UK, Ireland, France, Poland, Spain... Egypt, Pakistan, India, China, Kenya, Somalia, Venezuala etc...), asking people something like "Which country would you prefer to have Canada target for immigrants" what do you think the odds are the European ones would finish at the top? If the question was "Which of these source countries do you think would be most likely to produce immigrants who are economically successful in Canada?" what do you think the odds are the European countries would finish at the top? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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