bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 hahaha nice try the British didn't have Drones. Plus France won't come help you this time either. Good luck with that one, let me know when you try. No luck required....Americans have guaranteed gun rights...not a queen with lots of fancy hats across the sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 One difference between a gun and a cell phone: * your cell phone (and the GPS chip inside it) stops working when the batteries are dead, while a gun works just fine without batteries. -k And your cell phone is not repeatedly being subjected to 10000 psi internal explosions........isn't science fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 One difference between a gun and a cell phone: * your cell phone (and the GPS chip inside it) stops working when the batteries are dead, while a gun works just fine without batteries. -k Of course. And most folks nowadays take their phone with them each day and then manage to get it back on a charger in time for the next day. Most people probably don't take their gun with them as often, so even easier to keep charged. Of course you are not required to keep your phone charged, but its easy to do. Just make it a requirement of gun ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 And your cell phone is not repeatedly being subjected to 10000 psi internal explosions........isn't science fun I don't think a computer chip really cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) No luck required....Americans have guaranteed gun rights...not a queen with lots of fancy hats across the sea. Like I said good luck with enforcing that on your government. 15000-20000 outnumbered Iraqi insurgents did exactly that, armed namely with just small arms........If just 3% (again) of Americans (gun owners) took up arms against a tyrannical State, their numbers would be over 4 million, out numbering all agents currently in the employ of the (Federal) State......and that of course assumes that the United States military itself didn't fracture (Oath Keepers), various States don't secede (again) with their own Guard units etc....... Yeah I'm sure the United States Armed Forces did everything in their power to defeat those Iraqi insurgents. It really is laughable that gun owners think they could ever take on their own government. If that happens the entire country splits up anyways and become less of a super power so really it's just win-win for the rest of the world including China. By all means America, get into a civil war with your own government over the right to own a gun... How would you rate the usage of drones in quelling ISIS? Not really trying that hard? Could you tell me what the difference would be fighting for another country and fighting to keep your own? Pretty obvious. Edited June 24, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 ... By all means America, get into a civil war with your own government over the right to own a gun... Been there...done that. Lots and lots of guns....north...south...east....and west. Emerged bigger and badder....Canada was born ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Been there...done that. Lots and lots of guns....north...south...east....and west. Emerged bigger and badder....Canada was born ! Like I said good luck with that, maybe you can send a carrier pigeon to France to help you out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Like I said good luck with that, maybe you can send a carrier pigeon to France to help you out again. No...it's all about the guns. No thread drift required. More guns were sold today....more will be sold tomorrow. They're a big hit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Of course. And most folks nowadays take their phone with them each day and then manage to get it back on a charger in time for the next day. Most people probably don't take their gun with them as often, so even easier to keep charged. Of course you are not required to keep your phone charged, but its easy to do. Just make it a requirement of gun ownership. So somebody forgets to put their gun-phone on the gun-phone charger and the battery goes dead, what happens? The RCMP gets dispatched? If somebody takes their gun-phone off into the woods out of transmission range and the RCMP master gun-phone tracking system loses it, what happens? The RCMP get sent off into the bush to find the missing gun-phone? If somebody puts their gun-phone into their metal storage safe, as mandated by law, and the metal safe prevents the transmitter from reaching the RCMP master gun-phone tracking system, what happens? The RCMP gets called out again? Ok, pretending for a moment that the system you're proposing isn't a complete joke from a technological and feasibility standpoint, how much are you prepared to spend on this system? -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yeah I'm sure the United States Armed Forces did everything in their power to defeat those Iraqi insurgents. It really is laughable that gun owners think they could ever take on their own government. If that happens the entire country splits up anyways and become less of a super power so really it's just win-win for the rest of the world including China. By all means America, get into a civil war with your own government over the right to own a gun... No, the level of ignorance that thinks citizens with small arms can't overthrow their own Government is laughable.....history is full of examples, and is how American came to be. Not really trying that hard? Could you tell me what the difference would be fighting for another country and fighting to keep your own? Pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious that you have a poor understanding of history.........The Viet Cong/NVA was able to beat-off the most advance military in the World, armed namely with decades old surplus Soviet and Chinese rifles....... You realize, the redux of these hypothetical 3%ers, would also see them fighting for their own country too........But you are right, such action would without a doubt result in another American Civil War, which would lead to a destabilization of the World economy, followed by various factions attempting to regain control of portions of a nuclear arsenal large enough to destroy all life on the planet ten times over......yeah it wouldn't be a win-win for everybody else on the planet........ But of course, no such US Government would attempt it, as even anti-gun Obama is stymied by the Constitution and political reality.........the 300 million guns and growing are there to stay........deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 So somebody forgets to put their gun-phone on the gun-phone charger and the battery goes dead, what happens? The RCMP gets dispatched? If somebody takes their gun-phone off into the woods out of transmission range and the RCMP master gun-phone tracking system loses it, what happens? The RCMP get sent off into the bush to find the missing gun-phone? If somebody puts their gun-phone into their metal storage safe, as mandated by law, and the metal safe prevents the transmitter from reaching the RCMP master gun-phone tracking system, what happens? The RCMP gets called out again? Ok, pretending for a moment that the system you're proposing isn't a complete joke from a technological and feasibility standpoint, how much are you prepared to spend on this system? -k No need to dispatch a cop, just alert the owner they went offline and put the gun back on charge. There is no place you can go on the planet these days and not have GPS coverage. When you put the weapon in the storage safe, it connects to the charger and an external antenna that maitains coverage. Only a joke if you are not up on current technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 ....Ok, pretending for a moment that the system you're proposing isn't a complete joke from a technological and feasibility standpoint, how much are you prepared to spend on this system? Maybe as much as the money wasted on the infamous Gun Registry. Also, if it's such a great idea, why hasn't it happened anywhere except at gun show registrations (RFID tags) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) No, the level of ignorance that thinks citizens with small arms can't overthrow their own Government is laughable.....history is full of examples, and is how American came to be. It's pretty obvious that you have a poor understanding of history.........The Viet Cong/NVA was able to beat-off the most advance military in the World, armed namely with decades old surplus Soviet and Chinese rifles....... You realize, the redux of these hypothetical 3%ers, would also see them fighting for their own country too........But you are right, such action would without a doubt result in another American Civil War, which would lead to a destabilization of the World economy, followed by various factions attempting to regain control of portions of a nuclear arsenal large enough to destroy all life on the planet ten times over......yeah it wouldn't be a win-win for everybody else on the planet........ But of course, no such US Government would attempt it, as even anti-gun Obama is stymied by the Constitution and political reality.........the 300 million guns and growing are there to stay........deal with it. You also seem to forget that the British had to fight a war overseas as did the American with the Vietcong and had no where near the capacity they could have if the war had been fought right next door to them. This would be a Civil War which has a lot different implications than a war fought overseas. I have a great understanding of history, like how the US had help from the French, cutting off British supply lines which created a very expensive war for Britain. If America tried to take the fight to Britain they would have suffered a defeat pure and simple. Again good luck with that 'Murica. Edited June 24, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Maybe as much as the money wasted on the infamous Gun Registry. Also, if it's such a great idea, why hasn't it happened anywhere except at gun show registrations (RFID tags) ? I'll go with the same reason said "Smart guns" were limited to low-velocity sub-sonic rimfire ammo, likewise the reason so-called biometric guns have yet to square the circle of a shooter having to use the gun weak-hand or well wearing gloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Honestly trying to compare the British-American war and Vitenam war to a Civil War in the states over gun rights is ridiculous... especially in Americas patriotism in winning the war... its hilarious actually..Both were remote wars where there was little overwhelming need for the occupying power to actually win, fighting a motivated local army that crucially had massive support from a rival super-power as part of a proxy war to weaken the occupying power.In both cases there was a split in the locals, some who supported the occupying power, which makes the "brave patriotic locals resisting the occupiers" narrative somewhat simplistic and overated.Ultimately though, it simply wasn't worth fighting that hard. The value of the country at stake wasn't worth the cost of the war when the locals could draw on someone else's resources. It is not appreciated that USA just wasn't that significant to England. Economically Jamaica was far more important at the time. Of the two conflicts, UK probably came out of the defeat relatively well. Perhaps better than USA in Vietnam.Even the backers didn't always profit from their proxy-victory. France bankrupted itself in funding the war in order to weaken UK, which led indirectly to its revolution in 1789. Anywas thats neither here nor there. Just thought I'd clarify that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I have a great understanding of history, like how the US had help from the French, cutting off British supply lines which created a very expensive war for Britain. If America tried to take the fight to Britain they would have suffered a defeat pure and simple. Again good luck with that 'Murica. No, your understanding of history is very poor, well lacking modern context..........18th century American had little to no capacity to produce its own modern firearms, where as today, America is the largest producer of firearms in the World, with an estimated 300 million firearms and upwards of 8-10 million tons of ammo currently in the hands of its citizens........there is no need for foreign aid, nor intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 No, your understanding of history is very poor, well lacking modern context..........18th century American had little to no capacity to produce its own modern firearms, where as today, America is the largest producer of firearms in the World, with an estimated 300 million firearms and upwards of 8-10 million tons of ammo currently in the hands of its citizens........there is no need for foreign aid, nor intervention. Yeaah because the United States government has absolutely no guns, ammunition, aircraft, vehicles and heavy artillery at its disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Honestly trying to compare the British-American war and Vitenam war to a Civil War in the states over gun rights is ridiculous... especially in Americas patriotism in winning the war... its hilarious actually.. The last war fought on CONUS, by Americans, against Americans, was fought over the Tenth Amendment........The Second Amendment was crafted as a result of America's first war and National birthright.........You might find it hilarious, but as clearly evident, no American politician has yet to have the political capital to reverse the Second Amendment as an enshrined natural right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yeaah because the United States government has absolutely no guns, ammunition, aircraft, vehicles and heavy artillery at its disposal. Yeaah because the United States Government has a stellar record combating insurgents, let alone, ones comprising its own citizens, located throughout the country, some of which currently serving in uniform, that have sworn an oath to uphold the US Constitution............the whole enemies foreign and domestic thingy comes into play......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yeaah because the United States Government has a stellar record combating insurgents, let alone, ones comprising its own citizens, located throughout the country, some of which currently serving in uniform, that have sworn an oath to uphold the US Constitution............the whole enemies foreign and domestic thingy comes into play......... You're still trying to copare insurgents overseas to insurgents in their own country? Have I not taught you anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 You're still trying to copare insurgents overseas to insurgents in their own country? Have I not taught you anything? No, and I don't expect you too.........Americans have a troubled record fighting insurgents overseas, well having a unified military, secure rear areas, the knowledge that their families are safe at home and endless supply chains. You are suggesting, the Americans Federal Government Forces, outnumbered, would be able to quell domestic insurgents, with a divided military, no secure rear areas, knowledge that their own families are not only not safe, but that they could very well be facing their own families and friends down from the wrong end of a gun, and that the disruption to the US economy would seriously hamper the Federal Forces supply chains...... As I said, history is full of examples of a powerful State being overthrown by an angry populace......And that is why no fictional US Government will ever force the issue of gun control with the unlawful use of force against its own citizens.........There is no political capital for the issue, let alone your absurd assertion that the US Government would forgo the US Constitution to disarm Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) No need to dispatch a cop, just alert the owner they went offline and put the gun back on charge. There is no place you can go on the planet these days and not have GPS coverage. When you put the weapon in the storage safe, it connects to the charger and an external antenna that maitains coverage. Only a joke if you are not up on current technology. Stop digging, please. It's getting hard to watch. Edited June 24, 2015 by poochy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 ...As I said, history is full of examples of a powerful State being overthrown by an angry populace......And that is why no fictional US Government will ever force the issue of gun control with the unlawful use of force against its own citizens.........There is no political capital for the issue, let alone your absurd assertion that the US Government would forgo the US Constitution to disarm Americans. Spot on....such a policy would only achieve the opposite effect...more legal and illegal guns than before. More conflict and shootings. Ain't a gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Stop digging, please. It's getting hard to watch. I could give you a primer on GPS if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Spot on....such a policy would only achieve the opposite effect...more legal and illegal guns than before. More conflict and shootings. Ain't a gonna happen. Certain Americans seem to get a bit dim witted when it comes to this second amendment thingy. They ted to forget the ...in a well regulated militia part... and just head off to the gun store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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