jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 Not making any judgements. Simply asking questions. I think it's beneficial to ask questions to important questions and not just side with a minority group because one may feel bad for them. Or some sort of guilt to to what someone of the same race may have done a hundred years ago. Go find the answers and then maybe you can discuss it in an informed manner. . Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 So, what do you recommend canadians or Canada do, Jacee? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Canada_First Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 Are the rest of us who had nothing to do with this abuse supposed to feel bad about it forever? Am I supposed to cry everyday for the rest of my life? Am I supposed to give all my possessions to a FN person as some blacks in the US have said whites should do as repayment for slavery? Should all FN people get a huge cheque upon birth to say sorry for what white people may have done but you as a newborn have no knowledge of? Any of those? Quote
drummindiver Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 Omigod such ignorance! They already sued the government, class action suits, that resulted in the settlements and the Truth Commission. The adjudicators have already completed that process of making decisions about validity of claims. Have you read nothing about that process? Why don't you inform yourself before maligning a process that you know nothing about. Unfortunately, because the police have not released their records, some applicants were called liars who were telling the truth. . So, some applicants were called liars who were telling the truth. You know this how, as the police, as you say, didn't release their records? The Truth Commission is not the greatest document ever produced. We could go through it all, but quickly, what has number 6 of education have to do with Aboriginals? 6. We call upon the Government of Canada to repeal Section 43 of the Criminal Code of Canada This is not for the commission to decide on at all. The Supreme Court of Canada already ruled on it. Another child welfare tidbit I take umbrance with. iii. Ensuring that social workers and others who conduct child-welfare investigations are properly educated and trained about the history and impacts of residential schools. Jacee, they are to help children. Not to ensure continued bitterness. v. Requiring that all child-welfare decision makers consider the impact of the residential school experience on children and their caregivers. What? How about this little education tidbit? 7. We call upon the federal government to develop with Aboriginal groups a joint strategy to eliminate education and employment gaps between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians You want to make it equal? How about I get free education, or maybe, they pay for theirs? https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100033682/1100100033683 I could go on, but I'm sure the only thing I would get out of it is to be called racist. Quote
jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 I think that it was necessary to pay some bogus claims to compensate those who actually were abused - and rightly so. I know some bogus claims did exist. I know of several for example, from people who chose to go the particular school they were at, rather than stay on reserve and be bussed to a rural school. They were paid about $80K each for 'abuse' (basically the strap). You are lying. Quote
jacee Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 So, what do you recommend canadians or Canada do, Jacee? I don't recommend anything in this thread. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 I don't recommend anything in this thread. . We know....it's all about something else. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Are the rest of us who had nothing to do with this abuse supposed to feel bad about it forever? Am I supposed to cry everyday for the rest of my life? Am I supposed to give all my possessions to a FN person as some blacks in the US have said whites should do as repayment for slavery? Should all FN people get a huge cheque upon birth to say sorry for what white people may have done but you as a newborn have no knowledge of? Any of those? No I think your ilk are just supposed to close your eyes and pretend none of it ever happened. That is quite clear so perhaps just do that and leave the conciliation process to those who know better. Quote
Canada_First Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 No I think your ilk are just supposed to close your eyes and pretend none of it ever happened. That is quite clear so perhaps just do that and leave the conciliation process to those who know better. I don't believe that's a proper solution either. I'd like a solution that makes these FN happy and placates them forever so we can all go on with our lives, harassment and guilt free. So what's the long term solution to make this all go away? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 I don't believe that's a proper solution either. I'd like a solution that makes these FN happy and placates them forever so we can all go on with our lives, harassment and guilt free. So what's the long term solution to make this all go away? I would start with a couple of things, first stop trying to ignore what we all know happened, and then lets get those police records open so further charges can be laid where applicable. Quote
eyeball Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Simple slaughter of every Indian encountered (mostly in the US) was tried but there were always bleeding heart whites who backed off from killing every Indian person.Damned lefties...forever screwing up a good idea.Time for a different approach perhaps. admit defeat in exterminating them? Definitely kill off all the bleeding hearts first before giving it the old college try. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Damned lefties...forever screwing up a good idea. Not in this case...."simple slaughter of every Indian encountered" is nonsense. There are far more "Indians" in the U.S. than in Canada...then and now. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Not in this case...."simple slaughter of every Indian encountered" is nonsense. There are far more "Indians" in the U.S. than in Canada...then and now. Could that be possibly because there are about 10 times the overall population there... Quote
eyeball Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 I think a thread is in order to educate us about the discrimination against Ukrainians in Canada. Do that. I don't think it's appropriate to set oppressed groups against each other when the fault lies elsewhere. . I'd just like to know how the oppression of Ukrainians somehow absolves anyone for oppressing natives? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 I'd just like to know how the oppression of Ukrainians somehow absolves anyone for oppressing natives?Because the Ukrainians aren't *insert racist stereotypes about Indians being lazy and looking for handouts* Quote
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 In Canada and the US the goal was the same: to make native populations extinct. Inane, stupid, and contradicted by the evidence. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 What you and over there promote - the continued apartheid of aboriginal people by aboriginal leadership - is not to anyone's benefit - especially not aboriginal people. The racists of the far left don't care about aboriginals as people. They don't even see them AS people. It's the ideological belief they're supporting minority culture against the big, bad evil white people that thrills the noble defenders of the 'noble savage', and so they want to keep aboriginals as just that 'noble savages' living out in the woods, hunting, preferably living in teepees and doing quaint dances they can watch on youtube. I mean, how can they feel good about themselves trying to stick up for a native if he's working as a software engineer and living in a suburban condo? That's no fun at all! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Recovery from 500 years of genocide takes time. 500 years of genocide! LOL! And yet there are more of them now than ever! We sure suck at this genocide business! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 Where's the new thread? Canadians need to be aware of what happened to Ukrainians. . You don't care what happened to Ukrainians. They're white, after all. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) The meaning of the word, in the eyes of the courts for starters, does not require killing. If you want to apply the term to every abuse of every minority group then just about everyone in history has been guilty of genocide, proably including every single native band. Most certainly the Iroquois were guilty of multiple genocidal attacks and behaviours. Thus it's moronic to demean and degrade the word. The only people who insist on it are so wrapped up in anti-western ,anti-capitalist extremist ideological beliefs their only real interest is in condemning society, not in righting or exposing wrongs. Edited June 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Theres already 70 pages of this retarded argument. Just move on already.... Jesus. On he contrary. I think that this topic should be renamed Genocide Definitions and Terms, since 90% of the conversation, courtesy of Jacee and a few others, has been on that subject. I notice, btw, that your complaint is against those responding to the term, not those who continually initiate it. Edited June 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 The UNs, (for one), language is quite clear that killing is NOT required to be deemed genocide. The UN, which is composed mostly of genocidal maniacs? Name a single African, Asian or Muslim country which hasn't committed genocide, especially under your slack definition? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 The "new" meaning of genocide as you call it ... is from 1948, The United Nations Convention on the Crime and Punishment of Genocide. . That was proposed and rejected. Duh! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 I would start with a couple of things, first stop trying to ignore what we all know happened, and then lets get those police records open so further charges can be laid where applicable. That's the best that you have? Arrest people who are long since dead? Dig them up maybe? Almost all the abuses occurred prior to 1970 - that was when the Churches ran the schools. The youngest of the clergy would be pushing 90 years old. You're saying that will make both sides happy and allow everyone to get on with their lives? Great. Just great. Quote Back to Basics
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