FHRITP: That's apparently a thing.

[Bonam]

The guy in the OP and the guys in most of these cases (I've yet to see a woman shout FHRITP at a reporter) aren't ranting crazies though. They're typically college aged guys who are not in any way suffering from any sort of mental illness or delusions.

And yet the chance of someone committing acts of violence based on the statements made by these guys is about equally low, hence why it doesn't pass muster as incitement to violence / hate speech.

[msj]

Words matter which is why legalese is so important.

I know, we should just take for granted the context for something to be this or that and apply sanctions just in case yadda yadda.

But, free speech is important and to involve the state into something as petty as this is what is pedantic - that is, it is micromanagement to the point of denying freedom.

The state needs a good reason to deny freedom - incitement to violence counts.

Watch the video in the OP again - clearly this is not incitement to violence.

[Hal 9000]

This is really splitting hairs and being pedantic about the words said.

It's not splitting hairs, it changes the meaning completely.

[Hal 9000]

The guy in the OP and the guys in most of these cases (I've yet to see a woman shout FHRITP at a reporter) aren't ranting crazies though. They're typically college aged guys who are not in any way suffering from any sort of mental illness or delusions.

You didn't pay attention to the Hunt interview, did you?

[Hal 9000]

So you think open ended vigilante justice is preferable to laws and penalties that everyone understands.

You think everyone is gonna understand what constitutes offensive speech? You lefties always want to make more laws against speech.

[Hal 9000]

It's funny that a group of people who have such love, understanding and forgiveness for Omar Khadr, just can't quite understand the concept of shouting something inappropriate into a camera. There ought to be a law - not to deal with the killer Muslim, but to punish the guys who have an inappropriate sense of humour.

[jacee]

Bad comparison. Khadr obviously is being dealt with by the law.

Do I want to see FHRITP losers suffer ?

Ya, they're creeps.

Did you hear that one lost his nice job?

Who's going to want to hire a creep who demonstrated on TV that he isn't capable of grasping that sexual harassment isn't acceptable? Who's going to want to hire that problem - in - waiting?

Men who think victimizing working women is 'funny' ... are unemployable.

I think natural consequences are working just fine.

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[Wilber]

You think everyone is gonna understand what constitutes offensive speech? You lefties always want to make more laws against speech.

We have all kinds of laws that govern our behaviour in public. Do you think some creep should be allowed to flash a group of elementary school kids? After all, no one gets hurt, it wasn't directed at one kid in particular, no violence is being threatened. It's just someone expressing themselves you know. What's the big deal?

Incredible, after the number of laws this government has passed that restrict personal freedoms and invade personal privacy in the name of public safety, you have the balls to make an ignorant statement like that?

[GostHacked]

So where do you think this will lead? Do you really think this will end here? That the people pushing the limits with this won't push them even harder with their next stunt if people like you just shrug this off? Where is your limit? Is it really torchng cars and breaking widows?

Replacing police cruisers damaged in riots come out of my pocket via taxpayer money. At that point if affects more than just the 'reporter'.

[Smallc]

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[GostHacked]

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question and still no takers, so I have to assume these guys have none.

In one post GostHacked tells us his personal standards of behaviour in public are high, yet in others he says he finds these acts "damn hilarious" and he hopes South Park takes this up. How am I supposed to take this other than to think he would love to do this but doesn't have the guts?

MY standards are high. I cannot be responsible for OTHER people's standards. See how that works?

[Wilber]

MY standards are high. I cannot be responsible for OTHER people's standards. See how that works?

You obviously take pleasure in their standards.

Keep digging.

[GostHacked]

As an employer I would have no problem firing one of my staff if that person did something as painfully stupid as this guy.

That is a right any employer has no matter anyway. The question is how much severance needs to be paid (and/or legal costs).

The state, however, should stay out of it unless there is proof of incitement of violence.

I don't like the state getting involved in something as petty as this.

This is not grounds for the man being fired. He was on his own time and did not represent the company in any way shape or form. Why are people losing jobs on what they do OFF THE CLOCK if it is not causing damage? I am sure that was not the first time that specific reporter got a FHRITP.

What Rob Ford has done is way more offensive, and criminal. Your outrage seems to be missing from that thread.

[GostHacked]

You obviously take pleasure in their standards.

Keep digging.

If you wanted to act like and asshat in public, that is your choice. You live with those consequences, not me. I am not your babysitter.

[GostHacked]

So that makes it OK. How about SHOOT HER RIGHT IN THE FACE? Would that do it for you?

That is a little different where it is talking about an act of violence. FHRITP is what you are supposed to do when having sex with a woman. Unless you've never experienced sex, then that might explain a few things. Because you come across (phrasing) as being a little uptight about all of this.

[GostHacked]

And if you want inappropriate humor, go watch something like Archer, and to some extent South Park. If that does not offend you, then this should not either.

[msj]

This is not grounds for the man being fired. He was on his own time and did not represent the company in any way shape or form. Why are people losing jobs on what they do OFF THE CLOCK if it is not causing damage? I am sure that was not the first time that specific reporter got a FHRITP.

As an employer I can fire anyone in my employ as long as I pay them severance.

In this case I would fire him and pay severance.

Why?

1) my firm employs many women and we cannot allow this type of attitude into our workplace.

2) firm reputation - I would not want my reputation associated with this creep.

3) it is cheaper to pay severance than deal with any legal actions resulting from an incorrect "wrongful dismissal" case.

What Rob Ford has done is way more offensive, and criminal. Your outrage seems to be missing from that thread.

The extent I reply to a thread or not says nothing about my thoughts on the issues within that thread.

Your statement here is plainly stupid (which, I note, is not the same thing as saying you are stupid).

[cybercoma]

It's not splitting hairs, it changes the meaning completely.

So does intonation. Quit making excuses for these people.

[GostHacked]

As an employer I can fire anyone in my employ as long as I pay them severance.

In this case I would fire him and pay severance.

Why?

1) my firm employs many women and we cannot allow this type of attitude into our workplace.

2) firm reputation - I would not want my reputation associated with this creep.

3) it is cheaper to pay severance than deal with any legal actions resulting from an incorrect "wrongful dismissal" case.

The extent I reply to a thread or not says nothing about my thoughts on the issues within that thread.

Your statement here is plainly stupid (which, I note, is not the same thing as saying you are stupid).

1 - He was on his own time, and not at work. (this is the key part many seem to be missing here) He was not representing Hydro one in any way shape or form.

2 - Your reputation does not come into play at all, because he was not at work, and on his own time. If you were paying him during that time, then you have something.

3 - Any legal repercussions would be on the person putting forth the line FHRITP. You as an employer have no obligation to defend him or his public actions.

[cybercoma]

1 - He was on his own time, and not at work. (this is the key part many seem to be missing here) He was not representing Hydro one in any way shape or form.

2 - Your reputation does not come into play at all, because he was not at work, and on his own time. If you were paying him during that time, then you have something.

3 - Any legal repercussions would be on the person putting forth the line FHRITP. You as an employer have no obligation to defend him or his public actions.

4 - The employer also has no obligation to employ him.

[GostHacked]

4 - The employer also has no obligation to employ him.

Actually this would be a wrongful dismissal. Even if he was to get a severance package. And that could be argued in court. But then again, people apologized for Rob Ford's behavior and would actually vote for him again because of it.

[msj]

4 - The employer also has no obligation to employ him.

Exactly right.

Also, I would not want any further association with a douchebag like that so the "on his own time" line doesn't work for me.

Firm reputation is earned at all times; not just while the clock is running.

[cybercoma]

Actually this would be a wrongful dismissal. Even if he was to get a severance package. And that could be argued in court. But then again, people apologized for Rob Ford's behavior and would actually vote for him again because of it.

There is no wrongful dismissal. They can let him go "without cause" with severance and termination compensation. You can't argue wrongful dismissal when the employer's reason is that they don't have a reason.

[msj]

Actually this would be a wrongful dismissal. Even if he was to get a severance package. And that could be argued in court. But then again, people apologized for Rob Ford's behavior and would actually vote for him again because of it.

You really do not understand employment law do you?

I can fire anyone I want as long as I give them proper notice and or severance.

One just has to get the severance package value correct to avoid the lawyers.

The benefit is that such an event is usually a "one off" since it sets the tone for all remaining staff about what is acceptable.

[Wilber]

If you wanted to act like and asshat in public, that is your choice. You live with those consequences, not me. I am not your babysitter.

Keep digging.