Big Guy Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) The closer US President Obama comes to the end of his term the more he appears to strive for legacy defining actions. He has established a national Health Plan, he is orchestrating a deal with Iran and now is breaking the ice with Cuba; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/obama-castro-herald-turning-point-cuba-ties-150411230727356.html Is this increasingly new USA cooperation with Cuba a good thing or a bad thing for Canada? Edited April 12, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) The only bad thing for Canada is that we will have to deal with American tourists and the prices will inflate. Edited April 13, 2015 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote
Smallc Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 The only bad thing for Canada is that we will have to deal with American tourists and the prices will inflate. Mexico isn't a whole lot more. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Mexico isn't a whole lot more. A whole lot more in terms of what... Quote
Bryan Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 If $500-$1000 per person isn't a lot to you SmallC, I guess all I can say is congratulations on your business doing so well! Quote
Smallc Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 If $500-$1000 per person isn't a lot to you SmallC, I guess all I can say is congratulations on your business doing so well! The prices are very very comparable on every website I try. I can right now get Cuba for June for about 650 for 5 days, but I can get Cabo or PV for 700 - 800 for the week pretty much all year. Quote
Bryan Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Right now? Maybe Mexico discounts more heavily in the off season. If you compare hotels with similar amenities and available attractions during the peak season, Mexico is a lot more. A LOT more. Every winter I try to book a trip to the eastern coast of Mexico to see the ruins. Every year I end up going back to Cuba because the total bill is $2000-3000 less. Looking at Jan/Feb prices that are already posted, my regular places in Cuba are coming in at almost $1000 less per person compared to similarly appointed and reviewed places in eastern Mexico. Quote
Smallc Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Right now? Maybe Mexico discounts more heavily in the off season. It's been like that all year on Westjet Vacations. The price points were almost identical. A couple hundred dollars more, at most. Maybe I've just been lucky with what I've found. Quote
Bryan Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) It's been like that all year on Westjet Vacations. The price points were almost identical. A couple hundred dollars more, at most. Maybe I've just been lucky with what I've found. Lucky, and only looking at the low end, where a $200 difference is still 30%. I never check Westjet anymore -- they don't fly anywhere I usually to go. Edited April 12, 2015 by Bryan Quote
Smallc Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Lucky, and only looking at the low end, where a $200 difference is still 30%. As long as I get a nice place to stay where I want to go, I'm pretty happy. Quote
WWWTT Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) The only bad thing for Canada is that we will have to deal with American tourists and the prices will inflate. HA! WWWTT Edited to add: After reading the comments here in this fantastic thread, I'm afraid I'm contributing to a bad tourist thread drift. My apologies. Edited April 12, 2015 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 The closer US President Obama comes to the end of his term the more he appears to strive for legacy defining actions. He has established a national Health Plan, he is orchestrating a deal with Iran and now is breaking the ice with Cuba; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/obama-castro-herald-turning-point-cuba-ties-150411230727356.html Is this increasingly new USA cooperation with Cuba a good thing or a bad thing for Canada? Good thread first off! Big problem with the US is that they made too many enemies. Cuba is the largest Caribbean nation, has a high level of education and excellent health care. Overall, Cuba is a successful communist nation. The US can learn tremendous from Cuba. Obviously, the US has less to offer Cuba than Cuba to the US. Either way you look at it lessening tensions and opening trade and exchanging thought/beliefs/lifestyles/culture is a huge win win! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 The US can learn tremendous from Cuba. Obviously, the US has less to offer Cuba than Cuba to the US. Actually, the US has a long economic and political history with Cuba...far more than Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted April 12, 2015 Author Report Posted April 12, 2015 This new détente may solve a few problems for Obama. The new Castro apparently wants America out of Guantanamo Bay Prison. Obama can simply say yes - its yours and pull all the Americans out. Castro can deal with the inmates how he wants. So after 55 years of sanctions on Cuba it looks like they do not work. I hope that we do not have to wait another 50 years with Iran. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Signals.Cpl Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Obviously, the US has less to offer Cuba than Cuba to the US. Either way you look at it lessening tensions and opening trade and exchanging thought/beliefs/lifestyles/culture is a huge win win! WWWTT Obviously as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. If the US and Cuba get close economic relations and open up trade , Cuba will get a lot more out of the deal than the US would. Cuba's economy and standard of living will undoubtedly increase dramatically. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
WWWTT Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 So after 55 years of sanctions on Cuba it looks like they do not work. Work to do what? Impose the US will? Obviously the US model isn't that great?Maybe the world goes on without the US. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Cuba is a prison, in which its government forbids it's citizens to leave. Any bettering of relations should be predicated on the Cuban government respecting freedom and human rights of its citizens. Also international organizations like the Red Cross should once again be allowed in as they are in other countries. Quote
eyeball Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 So when did we start giving a shit how the governments we truck with treat their people again? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Cuba is so great, people like to use their old American pickup trucks and cars for surfing...to Miami ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bryan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 If the US and Cuba get close economic relations and open up trade , Cuba will get a lot more out of the deal than the US would. Cuba's economy and standard of living will undoubtedly increase dramatically. It seems that would be the obvious scenario, but Cuba already has a better standard of living than most of the countries in that region that the US does trade with. Overall, things were far worse for the average Cuban when the US was running the place. Quote
Bryan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Cuba is a prison, in which its government forbids it's citizens to leave. That isn't true. It's always been possible to leave, it's just been difficult to get through the red tape. For several years now, that process has been simplified. The real sticking point now is other countries' willingness to grant them a visa. If they have that, it's no more difficult than it is for us to leave Canada. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 It seems that would be the obvious scenario, but Cuba already has a better standard of living than most of the countries in that region that the US does trade with. Overall, things were far worse for the average Cuban when the US was running the place. There is the risk of relations with the US not being good for them but I doubt that would be an issue in the short to medium term. Just the tourism and trade aspects would bring tremendous benefit . Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Shady Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 That isn't true. It's always been possible to leave, it's just been difficult to get through the red tape. For several years now, that process has been simplified. The real sticking point now is other countries' willingness to grant them a visa. If they have that, it's no more difficult than it is for us to leave Canada. No that isn't true. Quote
Remiel Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Cuba Derangement Syndrome is the King of All Derangement Syndromes. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Cuba is a prison, in which its government forbids it's citizens to leave. Any bettering of relations should be predicated on the Cuban government respecting freedom and human rights of its citizens. Also international organizations like the Red Cross should once again be allowed in as they are in other countries. Even if they make it to the USA, they can be deported back with force. Elian Gonzalez as an example. Quote
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