Je suis Omar Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Actually, that's a terribly unfair comparison. Bears are much more predictable in their behavior. Quote
Spiderfish Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 But naivete does run deep. As does baseless speculation. Quote
jacee Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Much better to actually collect and analyse data on injuries and deaths by police ... oh wait! They don't! /us-has-limited-data-on-shootings-involving-police The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund keeps data on how often people shoot police officers, and departments willingly share that data. But the statistics on the police shooting civilians are much harder to find. Police should be reporting this voluntarily until the government catches up, he said. Edited April 9, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) But he's dead. Police can only shoot you in the back for running away if they believe you pose a significant risk to people's safety. Oh ... did you see how the cop put the taser near the body so he could lie and say he was in danger? And the cop's been fired and charged with murder. . It's a pretty natural thing to try and do what you can to defend yourself when you screw up so badly it's going to ruin your life. Still, the point is a valid one. Had the person not knocked the taser (or wrestled for the taser) out of the cops hands and run off he'd be alive today. Of course, if the cop hadn't been a moron he'd be alive, too. Not making excuses for the cop's response. Edited April 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 When a policeman warns a suspect who is about to run, "Stop, or I'll shoot!", the suspect will stop only if he feels the policeman is serious. I guess you have to shoot somebody every once in a while or the bad guys will run every time they have a chance. If you are not going to shoot then you should not un holster your gun. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 I'm not making excuses for the cop, but if the victim didn't do these things he'd still be alive. Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 I think it is a stretch to assume he would be alive if he hadn't run. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 If he didn't run he wouldnt have been shot.Had the cop done his job the way he was trained (or ought to have been trained) he would never had pulled his gun in the first place. The law is clear, you do not shoot an unarmed person running away except in extreme circumstances. Quote
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) I think it is a stretch to assume he would be alive if he hadn't run.huh? He should have been shot stadnign beside his car...?...for a broken tailight? Harsh penalty Sir ! Edited April 9, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
cybercoma Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 I love how this case is so egregious that the police department isn't even defending this guy. Of course, here at MLW people like to argue for the sake of arguing, rather than actually having a rational point. Quote
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) I loved the Police Chief, we send our sympathies to the families of the man killed and our Officer as both families have been impacted."Sorry Cop and family, we feel really bad you SHOT AN UNARMED MAN RUNNING AWAY" Edited April 9, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
poochy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) I love how this case is so egregious that the police department isn't even defending this guy. Of course, here at MLW people like to argue for the sake of arguing, rather than actually having a rational point. I have to agree, in this case there is no point in splitting hairs, knocking a taser from someones hand, or anything esle for that matter, is not justification for a street sentence of the death penalty. If only you were equally capable of understanding the circumstances of other incidents like this where the shooting was justified. Edited April 9, 2015 by poochy Quote
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 If only you were equally capable of understanding the circumstances of other incidents like this where the shooting was justified.Some probably were/are. But absent of any video evidence there are likely many many cops who have 'murdered' people due to lousy training, racist tendencies,trigger fingers and the like. No wonder Cops try and remove evidence from peoples cell phones, it is incriminating them. I bet plenty of people who took a ride on the Cherry Beach Express are saying.....see see !! Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 It's a pretty natural thing to try and do what you can to defend yourself when you screw up so badly it's going to ruin your life. Omar: A grand indication of your moral baseline. Of course, if the cop hadn't been a moron he'd be alive, too. Not making excuses for the cop's response. What was that above if not an excuse. Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 huh?He should have been shot stadnign beside his car...?...for a broken tailight?Harsh penalty Sir ! What I am saying is that there are other circumstances that could have resulted in him being shot. Assuming it was just because he ran is just that, an assumption. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 What I am saying is that there are other circumstances that could have resulted in him being shot. Assuming it was just because he ran is just that, an assumption.No the assumption is spot on. The law says he can only shoot whereby immediate danger to life is imminent. He was stopped for a b roken tailight , which in cop speak means to go hassle some one. So all the evidence the Cop had, and the rules he is to operate under means the gun was not to come out. Quote
poochy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Some probably were/are. But absent of any video evidence there are likely many many cops who have 'murdered' people due to lousy training, racist tendencies,trigger fingers and the like. No wonder Cops try and remove evidence from peoples cell phones, it is incriminating them. I bet plenty of people who took a ride on the Cherry Beach Express are saying.....see see !! Cops, under their uniforms, are just people, this one is apparently a murderer, and maybe a racist, idk, the point i was making is that constantly jumping to the, black person shot=racism, the actual evidence in this case supports that belief, but not in all, and even if the police are racists, even if the whole town is run by racists, it doesn't mean that a police officer should tempt fate with a suspect in an effort to make amends. You can't attack or rush a police officer and not expect to be stopped, in the real world that happens with you being shot in the chest, not the leg or some other fairy tale nonsense, but you should be able to run from one without being an imminent threat to the officer or public and not be shot in the back, I think we would all be better served by making those distinctions. Quote
Shady Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 I love how this case is so egregious that the police department isn't even defending this guy. Of course, here at MLW people like to argue for the sake of arguing, rather than actually having a rational point. Who's arguing? Why would the police department defend him? Or do you think they defend actions no matter what the circumstances? Quote
Shady Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 What I am saying is that there are other circumstances that could have resulted in him being shot. Assuming it was just because he ran is just that, an assumption. Yes, in some cases. This case isn't one of them though. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 incidents like this where the shooting was justified.Incidents like this where the shootings are justified, eh? I guess that sums up your true thoughts on this situation. Quote
Bryan Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 How not to get shot by police: 1) Don't commit crimes. 2) Don't hang around with people who are committing crimes. 3) If you get detained, don't fight the police. 4) Don't run away from an officer who is trying to arrest you. Do any combination of those, and you're essentially putting the bullets into your own body. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 How not to get shot by police: 1) Don't commit crimes. 2) Don't hang around with people who are committing crimes. 3) If you get detained, don't fight the police. 4) Don't run away from an officer who is trying to arrest you. Do any combination of those, and you're essentially putting the bullets into your own body. Hey and while you're making this point, why not just throw away the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and get rid of the entire court and prison system to save money. Cops can be judge, jury, and executioner in the streets. No need to waste money on trials or judges or incarceration or any of that nonsense. Quote
jacee Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) How not to get shot by police: 1) Don't commit crimes. Gee ... Sorry bout your broken taillight. 2) Don't hang around with people who are committing crimes. 3) If you get detained, don't fight the police. 4) Don't run away from an officer who is trying to arrest you. Do any combination of those, and you're essentially putting the bullets into your own body. And the cop is fired and charged with murder. . Edited April 9, 2015 by jacee Quote
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Who's arguing? Why would the police department defend him? Or do you think they defend actions no matter what the circumstances?Of course they do absent any video evidence. As can be seen time and again, the cops manufacture evidence. Quote
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