Canada vs Duffy vs PMO

[poochy]

Imagine that, Im listening to it right now. And Im waiting for the latest report from Hannah as to whats happening with Duffy. I must be the only one in Canada. I will let you all know soon as I hear.

Well of course you are, and 'reporters' like Hannah and Rosie are besides themselves with glee about the whole thing, just as they are visibly negative everytime they have to speak about something positive the government has done, they are left leaning, just as almost everyone at the CBC is, about the only time you get something approaching a fair pov is when they have guest commentators on like Coyne, or Ivison. I watch some CBC, but being in the middle on most subjects I can actually see them for what they are, and they aim their broadcasts directly at their base, people like you. The nut's (not you) in the comment section their are all you need to know about the type of audience they attract. I have even noticed a new slant in their advertising of their own product, Mansbridge talking about how they don't make the news (cuz they keep getting accused of it, and for good reason), and then in another ad talking about how if their reporting changes a policiy (assuming government, possibly their own about how badly thier talent can behave) then that's just the reporting the news...sure it is. Last week he opens with, 'climate change is changing the weather', umm, actual real scientitst don't know if that's actually thcase yet, but, there at the CBC, they just report it like it is, no agendas. So Peter, how about the record low years in Tornado activity and Hurricane activity, explain please...? Of course if they keep moving the goal posts in peoples minds of what reporting the news is, eventually they will find a common ground, and if it hasn't already that will become the new normal.

Anyway, I hope Duffy gets what he deserves, and if the government tried to cover it up or did something illegal i will consider that in my decision this fall, but so far all we have is 'look at how incompetent the PM was for appointing him', and that just won't wash, nobody had a problem with his appointment. He is hardly the first or last person to get a new job and fail miserably.

Edited April 21, 2015 by poochy

[On Guard for Thee]

Well of course you are, and 'reporters' like Hannah and Rosie are besides themselves with glee about the whole thing, just as they are visibly negative everytime they have to speak about something positive the government has done, they are left leaning, just as almost everyone at the CBC is, about the only time you get something approaching a fair pov is when they have guest commentators on like Coyne, or Ivison. I watch some CBC, but being in the middle on most subjects I can actually see them for what they are, and they aim their broadcasts directly at their base, people like you. The nut's (not you) in the comment section their are all you need to know about the type of audience they attract. I have even noticed a new slant in their advertising of their own product, Mansbridge talking about how they don't make the news (cuz they keep getting accused of it, and for good reason), and then in another ad talking about how if their reporting changes a policiy (assuming government, possibly their own about how badly thier talent can behave) then that's just the reporting the news...sure it is. Last week he opens with, 'climate change is changing the weather', umm, actual real scientitst don't know if that's actually thcase yet, but, there at the CBC, they just report it like it is, no agendas. So Peter, how about the record low years in Tornado activity and Hurricane activity, explain please...? Of course if they keep moving the goal posts in peoples minds of what reporting the news is, eventually they will find a common ground, and if it hasn't already that will become the new normal.

Anyway, I hope Duffy gets what he deserves, and if the government tried to cover it up or did something illegal i will consider that in my decision this fall, but so far all we have is 'look at how incompetent the PM was for appointing him', and that just won't wash, nobody had a problem with his appointment. He is hardly the first or last person to get a new job and fail miserably.

And I dont just take CBCs word for it. As has been pointed out above, everybody who is anybody is following and reporting this case as it unfolds. From right to left.

[Keepitsimple]

And I dont just take CBCs word for it. As has been pointed out above, everybody who is anybody is following and reporting this case as it unfolds. From right to left.

Just because the media reports it - doesn't mean people are paying attention to it. That same media has moved from breathless reporting with top-of-fold headlines to sidebars. Unless something unforeseen arises, it'll continue to lose steam. That's the problem with these "scandals" - they exhaust so much energy with spectacular speculation and conspriracy theories that when the facts finally come out, it's seen as "well, that's not so bad". Now - if this "scandal" had arisen just a few weeks before the election, the speculation would have a much bigger impact. The drip, drip, drip effect is proving not to be acid - but more like soap. Anyway - now I'm into speculation....we'll just have to wait and see.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[guyser]

Just because the media reports it -

Wait a minute here,

You mean there is more than the CBC reporting it ?

What happened since last night when you were sure that" It's pretty well invisible to everyone except the CBC" ?

[ToadBrother]

Just because the media reports it - doesn't mean people are paying attention to it. That same media has moved from breathless reporting with top-of-fold headlines to sidebars. Unless something unforeseen arises, it'll continue to lose steam. That's the problem with these "scandals" - they exhaust so much energy with spectacular speculation and conspriracy theories that when the facts finally come out, it's seen as "well, that's not so bad". Now - if this "scandal" had arisen just a few weeks before the election, the speculation would have a much bigger impact. The drip, drip, drip effect is proving not to be acid - but more like soap. Anyway - now I'm into speculation....we'll just have to wait and see.

Anyone thinking that there is going to be this vast revelation that directly implicates the Prime Minister best get a reality check. If there was that direct a link, Stephen Harper would no longer be Prime Minister. He would either have resigned or have been forced out.

The problem with the Duffy affair is more that further erodes the Tories' political capital. Maybe not a lot, but probably a little. How much is anyone's guess, but we haven't really seen the Crown delving into the areas that more fully implicate the PMO and senior Tories; the $90,000 cheque. That, I think, will damage Wright himself badly, even though he is a witness, and that could have blowback to some degree upon Harper.

[guyser]

Anyone thinking that there is going to be this vast revelation that directly implicates the Prime Minister best get a reality check.

Very true.

And on the same plain, anyone thinking Harper didnt know about the whole shebang is also in need of a reality check.

Any political leader would know, and anyone worth their salt would ensure it appears as if they didnt know.

Liberal COnservatibe Green Rhino.....all the same in that respect.

[Keepitsimple]

Wait a minute here,

You mean there is more than the CBC reporting it ?

What happened since last night when you were sure that" It's pretty well invisible to everyone except the CBC" ?

I was really talking about Canadians - CBC has tried to keep Duffy at the forefront....looking for that next breathless rant that they are so good at. In general, the rest of the media - and someone was kind enough to list all of them - just seem to be filling news space. But my point - the same as others - is that the vast majority of Canadians couldn't care less about Duffy, if they are aware at all.

[On Guard for Thee]

Anyone thinking that there is going to be this vast revelation that directly implicates the Prime Minister best get a reality check. If there was that direct a link, Stephen Harper would no longer be Prime Minister. He would either have resigned or have been forced out.

The problem with the Duffy affair is more that further erodes the Tories' political capital. Maybe not a lot, but probably a little. How much is anyone's guess, but we haven't really seen the Crown delving into the areas that more fully implicate the PMO and senior Tories; the $90,000 cheque. That, I think, will damage Wright himself badly, even though he is a witness, and that could have blowback to some degree upon Harper.

That could well because we havent got to the part of the trial that deals with that yet. So far its mostly been senate rules, or rather the lack thereof. A lot could ride on Wrights testimony.

[On Guard for Thee]

I was really talking about Canadians - CBC has tried to keep Duffy at the forefront....looking for that next breathless rant that they are so good at. In general, the rest of the media - and someone was kind enough to list all of them - just seem to be filling news space. But my point - the same as others - is that the vast majority of Canadians couldn't care less about Duffy, if they are aware at all.

According to a Mainstreet Technologies survey just released, 62% of Canadians are following the trial.

[overthere]

According to numerous Internet cites, both the president Quito Maggi and vice-president David Valentin of Mainstream Technologies are longtime Liberal Party hacks, campaign managers and political animals.

I don't believe a single word that emits from any of their collective orifices. Credibility =zero.

I am astonished that they stopped at 62%. Why not 163%?

You'd be more accurate quoting or linking something from The Onion.

Edited April 21, 2015 by overthere

[guyser]

I was really talking about Canadians -

Huh?

CBC has tried to keep Duffy at the forefront....looking for that next breathless rant that they are so good at. In general, the rest of the media - and someone was kind enough to list all of them - just seem to be filling news space. But my point - the same as others - is that the vast majority of Canadians couldn't care less about Duffy, if they are aware at all.

So the others dont keep Duffy at the forefront? I imagine they do like every other news source does, that is play what readers want, including the CBC , but partisan you just cannot understand that.

The 'others' just put in fluff pieces like the Duffy trial for filler? Very interesting that theory.

Can you let us know when the goalposts get moved for the umpteenth time?

[overthere]

Duffy coverage only survives until such time as somebody- anybody I beg you for Gods sake- links the Duffster and his shenanigans directy to Harper. The longer it goes without that smoking gun, the less anybody including the media linger on the courthouse steps.

I can guarantee that skinflint editorial boards at newspapers and TV are meeting often to determine if the potential reward is worth the cost of keeping a reporter at the Ottawa Super 8.

[On Guard for Thee]

According to numerous Internet cites, both the president Quito Maggi and vice-president David Valentin of Mainstream Technologies are longtime Liberal Party hacks, campaign managers and political animals.

I don't believe a single word that emits from any of their collective orifices. Credibility =zero.

I am astonished that they stopped at 62%. Why not 163%?

You'd be more accurate quoting or linking something from The Onion.

Ah the old shoot the messenger routine.

[guyser]

Duffy coverage only survives until such time as somebody- anybody I beg you for Gods sake- links the Duffster and his shenanigans directy to Harper.

Well, for one that wont happen. Harper knew, but no one will be able to link to it. No surprise there, leaders are adept at that.

And it wont last a second anywhere near the top should some disaster present itself for coverage.

No one recalls who else famous died the day Michael Jackson did.

[overthere]

Ah the old shoot the messenger routine.

It is verifiable fact that both of the people who head up and run your 'source' are lifetime Liberal insiders and hacks.

You picked them, not me.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[ToadBrother]

That could well because we havent got to the part of the trial that deals with that yet. So far its mostly been senate rules, or rather the lack thereof. A lot could ride on Wrights testimony.

You're not going to hear Wright say "And then the Prime Minister told me to hand over Duffy's bribe money." If such testimony existed, Harper would already be gone.

[On Guard for Thee]

It is verifiable fact that both of the people who head up and run your 'source' are lifetime Liberal insiders and hacks.

You picked them, not me.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You didnt burst any bubbles that I know of. Most people I bump into during a day will bring up the trial, or ask me if Ive heard anything new if they havent had the chance for a update. I dont have a membership in a tennis club though, so maybe thats why.

[overthere]

You still have time to scamper back to post 209 and change that 62% to 2%.

[Keepitsimple]

Huh?

So the others dont keep Duffy at the forefront? I imagine they do like every other news source does, that is play what readers want, including the CBC , but partisan you just cannot understand that.

The 'others' just put in fluff pieces like the Duffy trial for filler? Very interesting that theory.

Can you let us know when the goalposts get moved for the umpteenth time?

Calm down. Go ahead and believe that this is a big deal to Canadians - you've got your opinion, I've got mine. I threw in the CBC just because they are so blatantly anti-Conservative........and quite frankly, they irritate me - even though I'm watching Evan Solomon at this very moment.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[Bob Macadoo]

You still have time to scamper back to post 209 and change that 62% to 2%.

I bet Forum Research are a bunch of hacks too....

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/04/21/most-canadians-favour-coalition-if-election-ends-in-minority-poll-shows.html

Nearly two-thirds (65 per cent) said ethics and transparency have a “great deal’’ of influence on their voting intentions.

Or maybe those people don't care about Duffy Trial......they're still wanting to know if Layton was getting happy endings on the public dime.

[guyser]

Calm down.

Bemused is a better word.

Stems from no one but CBC covering it when we know they ALL are , now its filler for all BUT the CBC when we know that isnt the truth, but in fact just someones partisanship getting the better of them.

Go ahead and believe that this is a big deal to Canadians - you've got your opinion, I've got mine.

Didnt say it was a big deal to Canadians. Just that there are plenty following along, plenty being about the same or less than the numbers who vote.

Of course not all CDN's are following along, hockey is on now and all those reality shows have viewers too.

I threw in the CBC just because they are so blatantly anti-Conservative........and quite frankly, they irritate me - even though I'm watching Evan Solomon at this very moment.

Blatantly? Hmm.....thats an opinion I guess.

Then why do you watch my old classmate ?

[Keepitsimple]

Then why do you watch my old classmate ?

Call me a masochist but as a Centrist I'm interested in the view from the Left. No sense just criticizing if you're not willing to listen. Listen, research, evaluate, opine.

[PIK]

Guyser do you have a link that harper knew.

[guyser]

Guyser do you have a link that harper knew.

You can read cant you? Go back and re-read the post you are refering to .

[overthere]

I bet Forum Research are a bunch of hacks too....

Probably. Google the company principals and report back on the their backgrounds. I have no faith at all in companies doing phone surveys anyway, which is what Forum does for your link. If they are choosing at random, they likely are calling landlines. I know only a few people who would answer any phone call from a polling company, and they are hardly representative of average Canadians.

In any case, Mainstreet Technologies is a Liberal operation. Period..