Another Trudeau Gaffe

[BubberMiley]

I haven't received it. Nobody I know has received it. I'm not defending it, I just wish you applied the same standard all the time instead of picking and choosing.

I do. I think such behaviour is inappropriate for all parties. You're the one who still goes on about the soldiers in the streets ad but won't criticize this. I just wish you applied the same standard all the time instead of picking and choosing, and then trying to rubber-glue your stupid hypocrisy onto others.

[Spiderfish]

Of course another difference is the 2006 "troops in the streets" line was so self-evidently ridiculous no one took it seriously at all.

I agree, the ridiculous statement about soldiers...with guns...in the streets... did not do the Liberals any favours 10 years ago. The ridiculous statement saying that "we should all shudder to hear the same rhetoric that led to a ‘none is too many’ immigration policy toward Jews in the ’30s and ’40s being used today, to raise fears against Muslims today" is equally if not more outrageous and will definitely do JT no favours either.

The only difference is that no one has taken him seriously up to this point so the damage may be minimal because it's about on par with what we have come to expect out of him.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Spiderfish

[cybercoma]

I haven't received it. Nobody I know has received it. I'm not defending it, I just wish you applied the same standard all the time instead of picking and choosing.

Do you live in his riding? I get similar rhetoric from Keith Ashfield all the time.

[LemonPureLeaf]

Yet again Trudeau is likening Harper's anti niqab stance to Jews being sent back to Nazi Europe.

With gems like this the Tories don't even need to campaign at all. What a funny man.

[BubberMiley]

The "none is too many" comment was made before anyone had any idea of the extent of Jewish persecution in Nazi Germany. It was made in reference to what Canada's immigration policy should be, and had very little to do with a response to what was actually happening in Germany. It was Canadian antisemitism, pure and simple, and in that context Trudeau's comparison is valid

[scribblet]

What is that?

Trudeau equates Muslims to Jews and the holocaust and the Media Party applauds - A Conservative MP puts out a terrorism mailout and they go ape sh.t.... go figure

[scribblet]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't go as far as the suspension of ALL civil rights.

I'm also sure it doesn't look to restrict ALL immigration to Muslims like your fearless leader suggests.

Neither PM Harper nor the Bill is looking to restrict any Muslim immigration, in fact it has increased.

Justin Trudeau is the fear monger.

300,000 Muslims have immigrated to Canada since CPC won in '06. No Justin Trudeau illusion can make the facts disappear

https://soundcloud.com/thecharlesadlershow/justin-trudeaus-fear-mongering

[BubberMiley]

Trudeau equates Muslims to Jews and the holocaust and the Media Party applauds - A Conservative MP puts out a terrorism mailout and they go ape sh.t.... go figure

You're misrepresenting the facts. The "none is too many" comment was made before the Holocaust even happened and well before anyone in Canada knew about it. It was vile not because of what Germany was doing but because it represented Canadian antisemitism. In that context, Trudeau is correct by comparing the bigotry of yesterday to the bigotry of today.

But why are you downplaying Toet's taxpayer-paid statement that one can either be in favour of CPC policies or onside with the terrorists? Please elaborate on why you think the media is biased by reporting on it.

I ask because I know you can only drive by with "media party" conspiracies and wilt away when asked to clarify.

Edited March 12, 2015 by BubberMiley

[Keepitsimple]

You're focusing on the wrong part of the quote and thus, missing the point of the comparison. He's talking about the current xenophobic rhetoric coming out of the CPC such as Harper's "not how we do things here" or John Williamson's "whites/brown people" gaffe. The point is about how xenophobic language contributes to a culture of intolerance, not about actual immigration. It's not the best way to illustrate the point, sure, as it suggests a slippery slope, but in the broader context of the speech and it's themes, it makes sense.

Absolutely amazing isn't it - how Conservative "xenophobic language" gets repeated out of context over and over again?....but that still doesn't make it true. John Williamson preceded his "Brownies/Whities" comment with this qualifier:

“I’m going to put this in terms of colours, but it’s not meant to be about race.”

So where's the controversy? In the shallow minds of the Harper-haters, that's where.

[scribblet]

Absolutely amazing isn't it - how Conservative "xenophobic language" gets repeated out of context over and over again?....but that still doesn't make it true. John Williamson preceded his "Brownies/Whities" comment with this qualifier:

“I’m going to put this in terms of colours, but it’s not meant to be about race.”

So where's the controversy? In the shallow minds of the Harper-haters, that's where.

Well said !

[Bob Macadoo]

Absolutely amazing isn't it - how Conservative "xenophobic language" gets repeated out of context over and over again?....but that still doesn't make it true. John Williamson preceded his "Brownies/Whities" comment with this qualifier:“I’m going to put this in terms of colours, but it’s not meant to be about race.”

So where's the controversy? In the shallow minds of the Harper-haters, that's where.

Ha ha.....really? I'm not a racist but BROWNIE.....BROWNIE.....BROWNIE.....classic.

[BubberMiley]

It would be refreshing if the CPC shills could muster the character to admit when one of their own says something stupid, rather than try to frame it as a grand "media party" conspiracy. It would give them more credibility in the long run.

Edited March 12, 2015 by BubberMiley

[Big Guy]

I was in Montreal in the 1980's. When the war measures act came in there were many guns in the streets. You were searched by military to gain entrance to government buildings.

Activists "disappeared" for months before they re-surfaced.

You would go downtown and there would be armed soldiers on street corners.

It was no joke.

[Black Dog]

Trudeau equates Muslims to Jews and the holocaust and the Media Party applauds - A Conservative MP puts out a terrorism mailout and they go ape sh.t.... go figure

No, no he didn't. He was comparing the rhetoric of the CPC WRT Muslims to the rhetoric that led to discrimination against Jews, not the groups themselves.

Absolutely amazing isn't it - how Conservative "xenophobic language" gets repeated out of context over and over again?....but that still doesn't make it true. John Williamson preceded his "Brownies/Whities" comment with this qualifier:

“I’m going to put this in terms of colours, but it’s not meant to be about race.”

So where's the controversy? In the shallow minds of the Harper-haters, that's where.

It's not about race? Was he talking about people or types of bread?

Edited March 12, 2015 by Black Dog

[Topaz]

Would any of you agree that doing something stupid is worse than saying something stupid, especially if the PM has the record of doing, like the people he choses to be within his party, PMO and the senate??? The "I didn't know" PM has nothing to brag about.

[Black Dog]

I agree, the ridiculous statement about soldiers...with guns...in the streets... did not do the Liberals any favours 10 years ago. The ridiculous statement saying that "we should all shudder to hear the same rhetoric that led to a ‘none is too many’ immigration policy toward Jews in the ’30s and ’40s being used today, to raise fears against Muslims today" is equally if not more outrageous and will definitely do JT no favours either.

The only difference is that no one has taken him seriously up to this point so the damage may be minimal because it's about on par with what we have come to expect out of him.

This is the problem with looking at the world in a series of soundbites. You tend to miss the broader context.

Tell me this: do you think the CPC's stance on the niqab is in any way proportional to the actual scope of the issue?

[scribblet]

This is the problem with looking at the world in a series of soundbites. You tend to miss the broader context.

Tell me this: do you think the CPC's stance on the niqab is in any way proportional to the actual scope of the issue?

The CPC stance is strictly one of banning a face covering during a citizenship ceremony, nothing else, so the scope is not that wide and justifiable IMO. Considering how many thousands of Muslims Canada has taken in with no plans to for a reduction, the hyperbole and rhetoric coming from Trudeau is ridiculous. He is pandering to the Muslim vote of course, far more votes there than the Jewish community, not to mention he is the one doing the fear mongering.

[Spiderfish]

This is the problem with looking at the world in a series of soundbites. You tend to miss the broader context.

Tell me this: do you think the CPC's stance on the niqab is in any way proportional to the actual scope of the issue?

Sure, if any scope has been blown out of proportion, it's the reaction to a simple request to show one's face when obtaining citizenship. It's not really that outrageous a requirement.

I agree context is everything, although I suspect this is a concept the opposition has a hard time comprehending.

[Black Dog]

Sure, if any scope has been blown out of proportion, it's the reaction to a simple request to show one's face when obtaining citizenship. It's not really that outrageous a requirement.

And the individual in question was more than happy to unveil for the purposes of identification, which seems like a reasonable compromise. The blanket ban is what is outrageous. Details details...

[PIK]

The liberals turned away the jews did they not. The liberals rounded up a bunch of innocent Quebecers, did they not and the liberals put soldiers in the streets in Canada with guns did they not.

[Keepitsimple]

Ha ha.....really? I'm not a racist but BROWNIE.....BROWNIE.....BROWNIE.....classic.

Also WHITIE.....WHITIE......WHITIE.......go figure!

[Black Dog]

Also WHITIE.....WHITIE......WHITIE.......go figure!

I'm still trying to "go figure" how it's not about race.

[Keepitsimple]

I'm still trying to "go figure" how it's not about race.

Because he said it was not about race before he said it......what could be clearer?

[Black Dog]

Because he said it was not about race before he said it......what could be clearer?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

it's literally the "I'm not racist, but..." defense.

Amazing.

[BubberMiley]

That could be a very useful tool.

This isn't about the smell of your breath, but your breath really smells.