jacee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Boycott travelling across them. Take staycations...buy local....give globalization the finger. Done. . Quote
overthere Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 They will have to prove the stuff you have was purchased outside of Canada. ummm, no. It is incumbent on you to prove where you bought it, because you are the one importing a suitcase full of goods into the country. If you refuse to provide it to them, then you'll be charged with obstruction. Yes, I understand that. And they will still have the computer. And when we all stand in front of the court on the obstruction charges, they will ask the judge to force me to supply the password. That is called a court order, and I'll be subject to further penalty if I refuse to comply. But going back to questions asked at the port of entry, there is no way they can pretend that my refusal to answer detailed questions about where I've been or what I did while there can lead to prosecution. You have no obligation to answer any arbitrary questions presented by a peace officer including CBSA officers. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jacee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Sure, but (for example) your phone/computer could contain pictures of you snorting heroin off the body of child sex slaves in Thailand........doesn't mater if it was from last years trip or the one you're returning from presently.....its still the international traffic of child porn. My my ... such an obsession. :/You still choose to miss the point that we're talking about the violations of rights of innocent people, not criminals. I Google a lot of things in the course of learning about things under discussion here. Are my Google searches going to be considered suspect because I want to know about eg Wahabbism? None of their damn business what I want to learn about if I'm not a criminal. I wouldn't want to be a journalist doing research on middle east issues. Hey wait a minute ... whatever happened to the concept of freedom of expression? Oh right! We had to give it up because of attacks on our freedoms. :/ Edited March 9, 2015 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? Cite?. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 My my ... such an obsession. :/ You still choose to miss the point that we're talking about the violations of rights of innocent people, not criminals. I Google a lot of things in the course of learning about things under discussion here. Are my Google searches going to be considered suspect because I want to know about eg Wahabbism? None of their damn business what I want to learn about if I'm not a criminal. I wouldn't want to be a journalist doing research on middle east issues. Hey wait a minute ... whatever happened to the concept of freedom of expression? Oh right! We had to give it up because of attacks on our freedoms. :/ Funny you should say that (actually in reality not so funny) but even before C 51 gets through I find myself wondering if some of what I might normally search around the net for may come under scrutiny. Especially with my travel record. I assure you I have nothing to hide but when I sometimes contact my old friend who was my driver in Khartoum I wonder if I am not about to draw attention from CSIS with their new powers. I hate being paranoid. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? And what brought you to that conclusion I wonder. Oh yeah I forgot, your claim to fame here.Carry on. Quote
Smallc Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? Probably because you spend a large amount of your time talking to Canadians. Just a guess. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Cite? . The evidence is anectdotal...provided by/in Canadian media sources on a regular basis. Repeating tales of woe and anguish from people who run afoul of requirements for border exit or entry, as in this case. How do millions of other people manage to do it without so much drama ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 The evidence is anectdotal...provided by/in Canadian media sources on a regular basis. Repeating tales of woe and anguish from people who run afoul of requirements for border exit or entry, as in this case. How do millions of other people manage to do it without so much drama ? More likely provided by Fox news. Canadians dont really have a lot of problems at borders anywhere. Slap that Canadian passport down pretty much anywhere in the world and you are n your way in a heartbeat. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Probably because you spend a large amount of your time talking to Canadians. Just a guess. Could be....plus I am probably conflating concurrent tales of woe regarding immigration, which are also not in short supply in Canadian media. Are some people (not just Canadians) so cavalier about international travel that they attract or invite so much media attention ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Could be....plus I am probably conflating concurrent tales of woe regarding immigration, which are also not in short supply in Canadian media. Are some people (not just Canadians) so cavalier about international travel that they attract or invite so much media attention ? My personal experience is that some people are, but guess what, they werent Canadians. Quote
Argus Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Yes, I understand that. And they will still have the computer. And when we all stand in front of the court on the obstruction charges, they will ask the judge to force me to supply the password. And assuming there was nothing criminal on your phone you'll have gone through all that, and probably paid thousands for legal fees, for what purpose, exactly? But going back to questions asked at the port of entry, there is no way they can pretend that my refusal to answer detailed questions about where I've been or what I did while there can lead to prosecution. You have no obligation to answer any arbitrary questions presented by a peace officer including CBSA officers. But doing so is usually not particularly onerous, takes little time or effort, and lets you get on with your day. Acting like you have something to hide or an attitude can get you cavity searched and make for a long and unpleasant time before they eventually let you go. Thus a wise person simply answers the bloody questions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? Do they? Seems to me that the TSA is now more hated and reviled in your country than the IRS ever was. Edited March 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Sure, but (for example) your phone/computer could contain pictures of you snorting heroin off the body of child sex slaves in Thailand........doesn't mater if it was from last years trip or the one you're returning from presently.....its still the international traffic of child porn.It could, but then your house could contain mountains of child pornography. I think the police should kick in your door and while they're at it just do random checks around your neighbourhood. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 If you travel a lot just use a burner. Geez. This isn't hard. Its a new world now. Phones can be bombs and can be used to detonate bombs. Get your head out of your ... Quote
Boges Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 If you travel a lot just use a burner. Geez. This isn't hard. Its a new world now. Phones can be bombs and can be used to detonate bombs. Get your head out of your ... A burner smartphone? Phones are computers nowadays. What if you don't travel a lot and have an unlocked smartphone? Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 A burner smartphone? Phones are computers nowadays. What if you don't travel a lot and have an unlocked smartphone? Sure. I think they have touch screen burners now. If someone doesn't have anything to hide what's the big deal? I have to say that I've never been asked to unlock it but if I was I just would do it and move on with my life. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 It is painfully obvious that you have not travelled much, if at all.... And thats usually quite easy to do, and you will lose your stuff by being stupid. Carry on. Next time you return to Canada just bend over for the customs guard. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
guyser Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Next time you return to Canada just bend over for the customs guard. WWWTT Have you the foggiest idea what he was trying to say or do you just like going for full on stupid sprinkled with internet warrior tough guy (lame) routine? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Next time you return to Canada just bend over for the customs guard. WWWTT I have yet to be delayed by customs beyond the time it takes to show my passport. By the sounds of your atitude you must get stopped all the time. Or do you actually ever travel.... Quote
WWWTT Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 ummm, no. It is incumbent on you to prove where you bought it, because you are the one importing a suitcase full of goods into the country. Nope! You don't understand Canadian law. If you are CHARGED with an offense, you are INNOCENT until proven GUILTY in a court of law! It is up to customs to prove the stuff you are carrying was not the same stuff you left Canada with. After all the times I yelled and cussed at customs officers, for sure I would have been charged or had my stuff confiscated! But never once! And it's because of one of either two things or both. 1) I scared the hell out of them so they leave me alone. 2) They know that charging me is futile waste of time because they can't prove squat and charges will be thrown out. Keep in mind that my limit is usually something like $700 Cdn (can't remember exact number), so what's the point? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
The_Squid Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Next time you return to Canada just bend over for the customs guard. WWWTT Like I said.... you really have no clue about CBSA powers and what they can search and do search regularly when people put up a fuss. Either you don't travel or you are playing the internet tough-guy. Either way, you're lying. If anything you said was true, you would have been detained and thoroughly searched. After all the times I yelled and cussed at customs officers, for sure I would have been charged or had my stuff confiscated! But never once! And it's because of one of either two things or both. 1) I scared the hell out of them so they leave me alone. 2) They know that charging me is futile waste of time because they can't prove squat and charges will be thrown out. This post simply reinforces that you are full of crap. Edited March 9, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
WWWTT Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Why do Canadians seemingly have the highest per-capita rate of border crossing drama and sob stories ? I give up. Why? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
nerve Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Import is not return of an object that originated in Canada. None the less the law was made before portable devices were around carrying the amount and type of data they are. The court has already ruled on the issue though, regardless if it is a personal invasion on confidential, and private matters, it is a very extensive invasion for many people who use their cell phone as a personal assistant of sorts. None the less, the requirement to provide information would appear to be a type of detainment, and in that case under the charter, the person is suppose to be provided access to counsel prior to any questions, and I would suppose any non emergency orders were asked. If detained doesn't someone in Canada have right to counsel prior to being questioned? "The Supreme Court of Canada has said that routine questioning or luggage searching by a customs official at a border crossing is not a “detention”, but if you are taken aside and required to submit to extensive searching and you cannot leave, you have been detained, and your right to counsel is triggered." http://bccla.org/privacy-handbook/main-menu/privacy6contents/privacy6-8/ Thus it was a violation of his charter rights to require to provide the password without counsel being provided. (3) Simmons v. R., 1988 CanLII 12 (S.C.C.) , 1988 CanLII 12 (S.C.C.), 1988 CanLII 12 (S.C.C.) , [1988] 2 S.C.R. 495; Jacoy v. R., 1988 CanLII 13 (S.C.C.) , 1988 CanLII 13 (S.C.C.), 1988 CanLII 13 (S.CC.) , [1988] 2 S.C.R. 548. I would equate this to the need for a strip search and medical exam, and interrogation to providing unhindered access to your smart-phone, as they often contain extensive and private information including nude photos. Once being asked to provide unhindered access to your smart phone and not being able to leave, this should be considered detainment, it is not and never should be considered a routine search. The reason for the search in this case is unknown, in the other it was because the RCMP requested the search because they didn't have a warrant for a standard police search due to charter protections, their request was refused by the J.P.. It is being used to circumvent judicial protections against the police, essentially the way it is being exercised is a corruption. Why can the police not search but CBP search on request of police, it is clearly a corruption. Edited March 9, 2015 by nerve Quote
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