Rue Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Yeah living in the occupied territories as a Jew can be stressful. But I can't for the life of me wonder why that would be the case. Maybe you should travel there then. Its kind of hard to be an expert from Mama's basement. Seriously you really think you get it? You don't. You do not get it because you have never lived there. You do not understand the limited space, the role of cultural, religion, ethnicity, terrorism. You have no clue about pollution, urbanization, education, sanitation, health issues. Not a clue, Your entire perception comes from a place that will not get it. Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) So there is systemic racism except for the perfect Dominion of Canada.......thanks.......that's a relief. ..and that means...what exactly/.. do you want to finish...go on. Zionism is racism. Israel is racist. Jews are racist if they are Zionist. Go on finish. That is what you came on this thread to do is it not? You think you are the first or last to advance such an allegation? Lol. At least have the integrity to finish your name calling. Edited March 16, 2015 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
GostHacked Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Maybe you should travel there then. Its kind of hard to be an expert from Mama's basement. Seriously you really think you get it? You don't. You do not get it because you have never lived there. You do not understand the limited space, the role of cultural, religion, ethnicity, terrorism. You have no clue about pollution, urbanization, education, sanitation, health issues. Not a clue, Your entire perception comes from a place that will not get it. Maybe I should. But is it safe to travel to the illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied territories? Is that the only way to win over the terrorists? Control, occupation and systematic displacement of locals to make way for the influx of Jewish people immigrating from abroad that is making Israel a bit crowded? Not even you support the illegal settlements. So why so hostile? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Hudson Jones Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Maybe you should travel there then. Its kind of hard to be an expert from Mama's basement. Seriously you really think you get it? You don't. You do not get it because you have never lived there. You do not understand the limited space, the role of cultural, religion, ethnicity, terrorism. You have no clue about pollution, urbanization, education, sanitation, health issues. Not a clue, Your entire perception comes from a place that will not get it. Yes. You don't get why Israel is systematically stealing Palestinian land and killing women and children and violating international law over and over again. This is how Israel deals with peaceful protesters - You just don't get it: Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 You just don't get it from your home in Canada why the IDF act like mafia thugs and beat people and then break their arms. You just don't get it. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Yes. You don't get why Israel is systematically stealing Palestinian land and killing women and children and violating international law over and over again. Seems fair to me, as Palestinian women and children certainly have killed Israelis. What's so special about women and children ? Don't "human rights" apply to men ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Not pissed off Ghost just my cheerful usual constipated self. Man Israelis and Zionists like me have been advocating for Israel to stop building on the West Bank. We hate seeing Netanyahu use the West Bank to posture for votes. He's using the West Bank settlements to try puff himself up as a big tough guy to get votes. Today he tells his voters he will never agree to a state in Palestine, but in reality he would in a second if he thought he could find a Palestinian ally to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Its politics. The people, the Israelis, the Palestinians, they are sick of terrorism, sick of the polarizing words of many people including Netanyahu at times. Israelis want peace, so do Palestinians. You would know that if you went there. The election is too close to call. The Labour-Kadima coalition of Herzog and Levni are at about 24 seats and Netanyahu at 21 give or take 1 or 2. As usual a coalition will have to be formed and Netanyahu's rhetoric is preparing to bring in right wing groups into his coalition. Netanyahu has been concentrating all his rhetoric on being the tough guy on security to try win over potential right wing parties into a coalition. That said his rhetoric today I think is going to alienate as many Israelis as he hopes to win over. Edited March 16, 2015 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Hudson Jones I do get it. I lived there. I had friends die there. I have witnessed things you do not and will not ever understand. You on the other hand have no clue where Israel is, what a Palestinian is, and have an agenda that should be obvious to all by now. You exploit the Israel-Palestine conflict to push a political ideology of hatred. You manifest in your words the very things you criticize others for. Save it "Jones". Your deliberately selective take on what you criticize speaks for itself. Edited March 16, 2015 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Bob Macadoo Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 ..and that means...what exactly/.. do you want to finish...go on. Zionism is racism. Israel is racist. Jews are racist if they are Zionist. Go on finish. That is what you came on this thread to do is it not? You think you are the first or last to advance such an allegation? Lol. At least have the integrity to finish your name calling. Probably should've read context before spouting off crusader. It was a statement regarding bigotry directed at Jews not by Jews......but its one big conspiracy right.......a Mohammed on every corner.... Quote
Hudson Jones Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Hudson Jones I do get it. I lived there. I had friends die there. I have witnessed things you do not and will not ever understand. You on the other hand have no clue where Israel is, what a Palestinian is, and have an agenda that should be obvious to all by now. You exploit the Israel-Palestine conflict to push a political ideology of hatred. You manifest in your words the very things you criticize others for. Save it "Jones". Your deliberately selective take on what you criticize speaks for itself. Looks like another list of things you are imagining. You have witnessed Israeli violations of international law? Did you also live on an illegal Jewish settlement? The evil ideology of Zionism is not sustainable and we're seeing the beginning of it's collapse. The only people who are still supporting the ideology are those in Israel and a small percentage of those living in diaspora. The Sheldon Adelson's can slow down the process, but the inevitable will happen to Zionism as it did to Apartheid South Africa. The majority of the world can no longer accept the status quo. Information technology enables the truth to reach the masses a lot more than it did before. For example, the videos I posted above are being seen by people around the world. They know the evils of Zionism. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Seems fair to me There is nothing fair about dropping a bomb on a building, knowing innocent women, children (and men) are going to get killed. This is something Israel has been doing for a while. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 There is nothing fair about dropping a bomb on a building, knowing innocent women, children (and men) are going to get killed. This is something Israel has been doing for a while. How progressive of you to include "men". Suicide bombers have been doing it for a while as well. Boom !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 How progressive of you to include "men". Suicide bombers have been doing it for a while as well. Boom !! How telling of you to compare suicide bombing to Israel's actions. Suicide attacks have not happened in ages. The comparison doesn't even work, since the ratio of the number innocent civilians killed on either side is so different. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 For example, the videos I posted above are being seen by people around the world. They know the evils of Zionism. They know the evils of Nazism even better. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 How telling of you to compare suicide bombing to Israel's actions. Suicide attacks have not happened in ages. The comparison doesn't even work, since the ratio of the number innocent civilians killed on either side is so different. Suicide bombings included women....not so innocent after all. Ratio doesn't mean squat....attack Israel....get bombed 100X over in return. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Oh lookee Hudson Jones has shared some deep thoughts in post 138: First Mr. Jones spoketh and said: " Suicide attacks have not happened in ages. " Yes of course. Its also been ages since those Jews got lost in the desert. Then Mr. Jones doth said: "The comparison doesn't even work, since the ratio of the number innocent civilians killed on either side is so different." There we have it then. The morality of death is defined not by its cause but simply by the number of dead. “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”― Albert Einstein " it never ceases to amaze me how the toothless still think they can chew on meat.." _Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Bob Macadoo Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Oh lookee Hudson Jones has shared some deep thoughts in post 138: " it never ceases to amaze me how the toothless still think they can chew on meat.." _Rue I hope you self-reported there. Quote
marcus Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Posted March 17, 2015 They know the evils of Nazism even better. Comment on the videos posted and IDF's actions. Give it a shot. Let the world know how you think it's okay. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Man Israelis and Zionists like me have been advocating for Israel to stop building on the West Bank. We hate seeing Netanyahu use the West Bank to posture for votes. He's using the West Bank settlements to try puff himself up as a big tough guy to get votes. Today he tells his voters he will never agree to a state in Palestine, but in reality he would in a second if he thought he could find a Palestinian ally to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. So we agree on something And we both agree it is political and Netanyahu is using it as an election talking point without giving much regard to the Palestinians being displaced by these settlements. The settlements do nothing but put Israelis in harms way. Which is useful for Netanyahu who will use it as an excuse to build more because he needs to protect the Israeli/Jewish population because he is putting them in harms way. It's counter productive in every way. And if those are the actions of a leader via using his own citizens as political pawns in the occupied territories, I have to question his intentions, his integrity and his humanity. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Rue Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Right and you will spend equal amounts of time doing the same with Hamas and the PA right Ghost because you don't bring a one sided perspective to this debate. Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Bob as much as you try bait me, it doesn't work. You clearly can't debate what I state so if you want to bait, go ahead but the fact remains I do not equate the morality of death by the number of deaths and to do that is illogical and in my opinion not just stupid, but exploitative of dead people. Zip again over your head. Quote I come to you to hell.
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Right and you will spend equal amounts of time doing the same with Hamas and the PA right Ghost because you don't bring a one sided perspective to this debate. It's an interesting tactic to complain about the thing we agree on. I don't get it. What am I missing? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Rue Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 You are missing the fact that because I criticize Netanyahu does not mean I agree with you. Quote I come to you to hell.
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 You are missing the fact that because I criticize Netanyahu does not mean I agree with you. So you do think the settlements are a good idea? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Rue Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) No I do not. I think they are an obstacle or impediment to peace. You will have to do better then that to try equate my position on some of Netanyahu's policies as the same as yours. My point is don't assume from one issue you agree with me on Netanyahu or anything else. Edited March 17, 2015 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
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