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...Oh yes, it's become oh-so-fashionable among a certain type of Leftie to stand up for the poor and downtrodden of Palestine, even if they don't give a damn about the poor and downtrodden anywhere else (including the people being brutalized in the Palestinian territories BY Palestinians).

Indeed, their outrage is so selective. Other conflicts and "human rights" violations around the world result in far more deaths and injuries, but for some unknown reason, it is Israel that continuously gets their undivided attention.

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What about Saudi Arabia? They are move vicious than Syria. But they seem to be great friends of the USA.

You see anyone here defending Saudi Arabia?

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You obviously don't know what these groups do, otherwise you wouldn't be making that comment. Just because we're talking about their criticism of Israel, it doesn't mean that this is all they do.

It's sure all YOU do!

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You see anyone here defending Saudi Arabia?

It's your nonchalance towards our alliance with SA that's so remarkable, especially in light of the contempt and bigotry you display towards all other things Muslim.

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It's sure all YOU do!

Stay focused Argus.

First you go on an emotional diatribe about the UN, even though the original post is from Amnesty International. Then, when I inject some reality into your simple and superficial world, you try to bring me into it.

You can't even form a coherent argument.

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You see anyone here defending Saudi Arabia?

Well if you are not against them, you are with them. I mean since no one came right out and said they were against it, so we MUST assume they are with the terrorists.

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Oh yes, it's become oh-so-fashionable among a certain type of Leftie to stand up for the poor and downtrodden of Palestine, even if they don't give a damn about the poor and downtrodden anywhere else ...

This is a good point, although taken to its end you could end up saying that nobody who isn't 100% clean has the right to say anything. And that's just wrong because, well, nobody is 100% clean. But I do think people should look in their own backyard first, and in that respect Canadians are probably worse than Israelis in my book.

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This is a good point, although taken to its end you could end up saying that nobody who isn't 100% clean has the right to say anything. And that's just wrong because, well, nobody is 100% clean. But I do think people should look in their own backyard first, and in that respect Canadians are probably worse than Israelis in my book.

It's because many don't want to entertain the notion that our Government may not have our best interest in mind. People are amused to death and it seems trendy to appear stupid/ignorant.

I'll go with the Bank of Canada lawsuit. How are we too look in our own backyard when the media is not really reporting on it? Why does the media not report on it? Is there governmental influence over what gets out to the media?

Now, perhaps I investigate it myself. If I find the correct information, would anyone accept it? Why not? Canadians don't really seem to understand how corrupt things have become in Canada. The gutting of the public sector by Harper can shed some light. Unconstitutionally appointed judges, several anti-terror bills struck down because of not being constitutional. Yes, we have our problems, but the reason we are not really taking it to task is where the information is coming from.

Even if the CBC reports it, would one believe it? Why or Why not?

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I'll go with the Bank of Canada lawsuit. How are we too look in our own backyard when the media is not really reporting on it? Why does the media not report on it? Is there governmental influence over what gets out to the media?

Bad example. The newsworthy-ness of that initiative is highly debatable. Less so for the plight of our First Nations people.

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Bad example. The newsworthy-ness of that initiative is highly debatable. Less so for the plight of our First Nations people.

What could be more newsworthy to understand the actions of our banking system is unconstitutional and fraudulent that is affecting the whole nation and how it goes about it's business? Not a very solid foundation for a nation. But i'll leave it for the other thread.

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This is a good point, although taken to its end you could end up saying that nobody who isn't 100% clean has the right to say anything. And that's just wrong because, well, nobody is 100% clean. But I do think people should look in their own backyard first, and in that respect Canadians are probably worse than Israelis in my book.

I disagree. It's not a good point. How can one dedicate the time to point out ALL the wrongdoings that are happening. How do we know that person is not dedicating their time somewhere else?

One of the terrible responses Israeli-apologists give, when faced with criticism of Israel is "Boko-harem/ISIS is worse!" So what if some other group is worse? Should we be measuring our actions in accordance to the worst of the worst?

Also, what do you mean by saying Canadians are probably worse than Israelis? Are you talking about our human rights violations? Our inability to criticize ourselves?

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Canada (and the U.S.) have committed "human rights" violations, denied land claims, violated treaty rights, interned "visible minorities", etc. since before the state of Israel even existed. Violations against Palest-Indians continue to this day.

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It's your nonchalance towards our alliance with SA that's so remarkable, especially in light of the contempt and bigotry you display towards all other things Muslim.

I don't display bigotry towards all things Muslim. I display contempt for religious wackos. Who happen to be Muslim.

And I wouldn't mind seeing all the thousands of Saudi princes working the docks in Cairo. I just have don't see a likely alternative in the wings which won't be even worse.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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You can't even form a coherent argument.

How fortunate, then, that one isn't need to counter the blithering drivel you regularly post.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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This is a good point, although taken to its end you could end up saying that nobody who isn't 100% clean has the right to say anything. And that's just wrong because, well, nobody is 100% clean. But I do think people should look in their own backyard first, and in that respect Canadians are probably worse than Israelis in my book.

In what way? I'm gonna presume you're headed towards natives, and if so you're quite mistaken given natives have every single right a non-native has, and then more.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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I disagree. It's not a good point. How can one dedicate the time to point out ALL the wrongdoings that are happening. How do we know that person is not dedicating their time somewhere else?

One of the terrible responses Israeli-apologists give, when faced with criticism of Israel is "Boko-harem/ISIS is worse!" So what if some other group is worse? Should we be measuring our actions in accordance to the worst of the worst?

It goes to motivation. If your motivation is your anxiety over the plight of those whose human rights are being abused, then one would naturally consider that you would focus your attention on either all human rights abusing nations, or at least, the top ten. But ... you don't. You focus ALL your attention on the 73rd worse human rights abuser out there.

For some reason.....

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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Amnesty International asks four simple questions from war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu as he comes to Washington DC to encourage Americans to sacrifice their sons and daughters yet again for the cause of Zionist militarism:

1. Why is Israel taking Palestinian land?

2. Why is Israel undermining Gaza reconstruction?

3. Why is Israel arresting nonviolent Palestinian protesters?

4. Why does Israel oppose international accountability?

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Hmmmmmm ... <crickets>

I guess he hasn't answered.

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It goes to motivation. If your motivation is your anxiety over the plight of those whose human rights are being abused, then one would naturally consider that you would focus your attention on either all human rights abusing nations, or at least, the top ten. But ... you don't. You focus ALL your attention on the 73rd worse human rights abuser out there.

For some reason.....

73rd eh.

So ...

In the worst half of the 150 countries monitored by AI.

In the worst third of nations.

I wouldn't be bragging, especially ...

We in Israel ought to have a special affinity towards human rights, as they were created in the aftermath of World War II, as the worlds way of saying never again.

...

Yet, as we have witnessed countless times, Israel has one standard for the rest of the world, and another for itself. Actions which amount to clear violations of human rights when another country commits them, are coined political when they happen here, and if you criticize those actions youll be accused of ignoring the context, or Israels favorite: criticizing us is anti-Semitic.

/my-brother-went-to-war-in-gaza-i-stayed-back-as-amnesty-international-israel-director/

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In what way? I'm gonna presume you're headed towards natives, and if so you're quite mistaken given natives have every single right a non-native has, and then more.

I was talking about Canadians looking in their own backyard, not in the status of First Nations people relative to Palestinians or anything like that.

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I disagree. It's not a good point. How can one dedicate the time to point out ALL the wrongdoings that are happening. How do we know that person is not dedicating their time somewhere else?

The point is that you should spend at least an equal amount of energy looking in your own backyard.

Should we be measuring our actions in accordance to the worst of the worst?

Not exactly, no. But there is something askew if people are making statements in absolutes about Israel when there are problems close to home that are ignored.

Or, here's something: The US has, in the past, painted Cuba as a repressive dictatorship while opening doors with Russia, China and so on.

Also, what do you mean by saying Canadians are probably worse than Israelis? Our inability to criticize ourselves?

Yes.

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I was talking about Canadians looking in their own backyard, not in the status of First Nations people relative to Palestinians or anything like that.

In what way are Canadians 'worse than Israelis' for what we're ignoring in our 'back yard'?

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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Yes.

We criticize ourselves all the bloody time...

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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We ignore problems and paper over our worst attributes.

Such as? Do you have examples?

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We support dictators...we're scum of the Earth.

What´s worse is that we know better than to behave so badly.

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