Bill C-51: Federal Anti-Terror Legislation polling results

Bryan · February 22, 2015

The government proposes radically restructuring CSIS and turning it into a kinetic service taking physical action well beyond intelligence collection and competent to act beyond the law and even the constitution.

About time.

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

About time.

Exactly, we never needed those rights anyways.

eyeball · February 22, 2015

About time.

Ha, just wait until some Liberal gets their hands on these powers...and then hands their additions back to the Conservatives again.

Where it stops, never mind how, nobody knows.

Bryan · February 22, 2015

Exactly, we never needed those rights anyways.

Terrorists don't need, nor should ever have had, rights.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Bryan

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

Terrorists don't need, nor should ever have had, rights.

Thats a very valid thought. But I, like most of us are not terrorists. We need and demand rights. We have a constitution that provides them.

Bryan · February 22, 2015

Thats a very valid thought. But I, like most of us are not terrorists. We need and demand rights. We have a constitution that provides them.

Then you've got nothing to worry about.

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

Then you've got nothing to worry about.

Not as long as we have the SCC to protect that constitution from the likes of Harper. They have done a good job so far. Im not too worried.

Keepitsimple · February 22, 2015

Not as long as we have the SCC to protect that constitution from the likes of Harper. They have done a good job so far. Im not too worried.

Then why do you keep blathering on about losing your rights - the ones that you've never explained you're going to lose?

Bob Macadoo · February 22, 2015

Then why do you keep blathering on about losing your rights - the ones that you've never explained you're going to lose?

Because before the SCC gets it, there will be people affected......and effected.

Topaz · February 22, 2015

Harper want to change Csis into CIA and the CIA is one ugly killing machine, who has been laundering drug money through most countries, brought heron into the black communities in the 60's, brought Islam leader into the black communities to radicalize them to go and fight in the ME. The US economy was save by the Billions of drug money the CIA had made without the world, all this documented in the book Operation: Gladio. I couldn't believe the things this agency has done but if one goes back and research things that has gone on it the world, you'll find the CIA in the center of it and now Harper wants to be part of it, Harper is definitely a reformer and NOT a Conservative and Canadians NEEDs to vote him out and let him go work for CIA.

Smallc · February 22, 2015

That's not what Harper wants to do, I don't think.

Black Dog · February 22, 2015

Both Cybercoma and Black Dog talk about how sometimes you have to rough things up to make change.

Yup. Because history.

Black Dog · February 22, 2015

So from what i gather, you don't think it's possible for another attack of that scale, or frankly, one much worse to occur, that isn't possible, or lets be generous, more likely to occur because of you know, the actual evidence.

Is this English?

I can only assume then that you don't believe that, for example, some people wanted to derail a passenger train as an act of terrorism, competent or not the point is that there are people who might want to do those things and someday, they might be successful, and they aren't just random acts.

Just an FYI: talking about terrorist plots that were successfully foiled under the current system doesn't do much for building a case for new legislation.

If the government created this new law without any reason then you would be right.

Oh they have their reasons.

But that is not what has happened, I know, you're wishing so hard for it to be true, you're wishing so hard that a lifetime of brainwashing wasn't coming crashing down around the cavern of your mind, but none of those wishes will change the world you actually live in.

You get good wi-fi reception under your bed?

Argus · February 22, 2015

Exactly, we never needed those rights anyways.

What rights?

Argus · February 22, 2015

Because before the SCC gets it, there will be people affected......and effected.

Which people?

jacee · February 22, 2015

That's not what Harper wants to do, I don't think.

You seem uncertain.

Just imagine Harper wants to be unopposed PM for life.

Now what do you think about Bill C51?

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Bob Macadoo · February 22, 2015

Which people?

The litigants who will need to appeal against its use when it is inappropriately used. See prostitution bill.

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

Then why do you keep blathering on about losing your rights - the ones that you've never explained you're going to lose?

Because I like my rights and I dont like a government who tries to take the away simply as a vote getter, so we once again have to go through the costly and time consuming process of having the SCC amend the bill to restore those rights.

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

What rights?

You must live on Jupiter or not be able to read or have a TV to have not have caught that by now.

Argus · February 22, 2015

You must live on Jupiter or not be able to read or have a TV to have not have caught that by now.

What rights?

Argus · February 22, 2015

Because I like my rights and I dont like a government who tries to take the away simply as a vote getter, so we once again have to go through the costly and time consuming process of having the SCC amend the bill to restore those rights.

What rights?

jacee · February 22, 2015

Not as long as we have the SCC to protect that constitution from the likes of Harper. They have done a good job so far. Im not too worried.

When people are intimidated from participating in public dissent because they can be arrested, incarcerated and interrogated for walking in the street, the possibility of being vindicated by the Supreme Court in a few years after spending thousands of dollars on lawyers to defend rights that are supposed to be a 'given' ... is not much comfort.

Dissent is criminalized by Bill C51, and it will be a long time before the Constitutional violations are sorted out.

Walking in the street is not 'lawful'.

Protests are immediately declared unlawful by police and all participants are subject to the anti-terror act. All participants are 'suspects' who "MAY" commit crimes. All or any can be detained, searched, have possessions (cell phones) seized and searched, then arrested, incarcerated and interrogated for 7 days without charges.

That will be the scenario from now on, under Harper's watch.

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Edited February 22, 2015 by jacee

WIP · February 22, 2015

Terrorists don't need, nor should ever have had, rights.

I think the only thing that really frightens non-conservatives is how easily conservatives can be gathered together and herded into their pens whenever their leaders tell them to be scared of something....anything!

You think a terrorist is a Muslim with a beard, so you'll give our rulers carte blanche to put us all under surveillance, because you think you have nothing to hide, and stomp all of our civil rights into the ground.

When the convenient label - terrorist, is expanded to include pipeline and factory farm protesters, and anti-globalization protesters, you and your ilk are still cheering them on. Until one day, when even the godfearing/ flagwaving conservatives find themselves on the outs with an authoritarian leadership, and discover that the government is sifting through their records and creating a file to use at some future date, when and if necessary! And then, all of a sudden, the conservatives will be trying to protest against government overreach.....but, it will be toooooo late!

WIP · February 22, 2015

When people are intimidated from participating in public dissent because they can be arrested, incarcerated and interrogated for walking in the street, the possibility of being vindicated by the Supreme Court in a few years after spending thousands of dollars on lawyers to defend rights that are supposed to be a 'given' ... is not much comfort.

Dissent is criminalized by Bill C51, and it will be a long time before the Constitutional violations are sorted out.

Walking in the street is not 'lawful'.

Protests are immediately declared unlawful by police and all participants are subject to the anti-terror act. All participants are 'suspects' who "MAY" commit crimes.

That will be the scenario from now on, under Harper's watch.

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Exactly! Every one of us who has attended a demonstration or a protest march in the last 10 years, has had their picture taken and matched to find our identities...and who knows how much information about our private lives....it's not hard to figure out that the government is trying to establish the same chilling effects on all dissent that is typical for fascist and authoritarian societies.

On Guard for Thee · February 22, 2015

When people are intimidated from participating in public dissent because they can be arrested, incarcerated and interrogated for walking in the street, the possibility of being vindicated by the Supreme Court in a few years after spending thousands of dollars on lawyers to defend rights that are supposed to be a 'given' ... is not much comfort.

Dissent is criminalized by Bill C51, and it will be a long time before the Constitutional violations are sorted out.

Walking in the street is not 'lawful'.

Protests are immediately declared unlawful by police and all participants are subject to the anti-terror act. All participants are 'suspects' who "MAY" commit crimes. All or any can be detained, searched, have possessions (cell phones) seized and searched, then arrested, incarcerated and interrogated for 7 days without charges.

That will be the scenario from now on, under Harper's watch.

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Yes and I can see you have read and understood this bill as well. As I was typing, Im not too worried, on my previous post I was also thinking thats because I dot envision exercising any of the particular rights that are threatened in this bill any time soon. However as you point out, what about anyone who may, and gets swept up by this new bill before the SC has a chance to correct it.