Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Well...hell...what's he gonna do after ISIS just barbecued a guy in a cage ? He didn't even send him any blankets to help put the fire out ! And most Canadians support anti-terror legislation, likewise the mission in Iraq........Trudeau/Liberal flip-flop, the legislation is wrong (so he says), but he'll vote for it because its popular Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 And most Canadians support anti-terror legislation, likewise the mission in Iraq........Trudeau/Liberal flip-flop, the legislation is wrong (so he says), but he'll vote for it because its popular Are you saying that committee review will produce no changes even though that was a stated action/result by the gov't? Strange.I'm a non-partisan and hope gov't operates as its supposed to..... 1) gov't introduces legislation that is free from politiking (ie. "Does Trudeau love pedophiles?") 2) oppositions perform review and show appropriate level criticism (ie. "There'll be Gestapo in the streets") 3) goes to committee and bill is amended taking into account both the criticism and gov'ts end goal 4) H of C presents balanced legislation to public together without partisan buffoonery and bluster Quote
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 And most Canadians support anti-terror legislation, likewise the mission in Iraq........Trudeau/Liberal flip-flop, the legislation is wrong (so he says), but he'll vote for it because its popular The majority might support it because they have bought into the fearmongering from the government. THE TERRORISTS ARE GONNA KILL YOU!!!! While they strip away the rights of citizens. They bought into it because they do not know how this new threat came to be. They don't understand how our actions in the ME has given rise to this new threat. I am just wondering when Canada will see some real blowback. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Does anybody else suspect, as I do, that the government added this clause to make it impossible for Trudeau to support it: The announcement, made Wednesday afternoon, seems particularly odd because the bill includes a measure that would let the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) apply for a warrant to ignore the charter. The charter is indelibly linked to Trudeau, as it was written and enacted under the Liberal government headed by his father, former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anti-terrorism-bill-to-be-supported-by-liberals-justin-trudeau-says-1.2945187 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 So, it's been going on since the days of Trudeau, perhaps longer. Wonder if this gives light to the systematic progress that the government has been making slowly over decades so no one notices. Water is getting hotter. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 So, it's been going on since the days of Trudeau, perhaps longer. ? What ? Did you conclude from my post that they were saying that this has been going on since the days of Trudeau ? That's not what it's meant to say. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 ? What ? Did you conclude from my post that they were saying that this has been going on since the days of Trudeau ? That's not what it's meant to say. True you did not mean to say it, but it's not far from the truth. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 True you did not mean to say it, but it's not far from the truth. Cold War days... I'm pretty sure worse things happened too... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Cold War days... I'm pretty sure worse things happened too... Well apparently accoding to our government, ISIS terrorists are the worst things happening right now. Quote
PIK Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 You look at what they are doing ,yes they are the worse in a long time. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Are you saying that committee review will produce no changes even though that was a stated action/result by the gov't? Strange. I'm a non-partisan and hope gov't operates as its supposed to..... The Government has already stated they won't change the legislation.........so I would assume that would include later in committee. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Does anybody else suspect, as I do, that the government added this clause to make it impossible for Trudeau to support it: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anti-terrorism-bill-to-be-supported-by-liberals-justin-trudeau-says-1.2945187 No, I think the Government added it to give CSIS the ability to streamline the use of intelligence collected by our Allies, information that currently would be inadmissible in a Canadian court, as such precluding its use in legal proceedings against the suspect(s)…. Quote
PIK Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 So trudeau is flip flopping again. Does he stand up for anything or just go with the flow. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Michael Hardner Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 No, I think the Government added it to give CSIS the ability to streamline the use of intelligence collected by our Allies, information that currently would be inadmissible in a Canadian court, as such precluding its use in legal proceedings against the suspect(s)…. Cite ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Cite ? In my interpretation, the changes granted to CSIS in the new legislation encompassing both the sharing (4.) and disclosure (5. (1) ) of information (versus the existing law) of someone suspected of undermining the security of Canada. Quote
Shady Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 The majority might support it because they have bought into the fearmongering from the government. THE TERRORISTS ARE GONNA KILL YOU!!!! While they strip away the rights of citizens. They bought into it because they do not know how this new threat came to be. They don't understand how our actions in the ME has given rise to this new threat. I am just wondering when Canada will see some real blowback. Which rights are being stripped away? Quote
PIK Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 The ME has been burning for decades and it has nothing to do with harper. If you want to go that way, who sent us to Afghanistan. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Bob Macadoo Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 The Government has already stated they won't change the legislation.........so I would assume that would include later in committee. Heaven forbid there's a election....errr war at stake here. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 Heaven forbid there's a election....errr war at stake here. I'm certain that's the reason the Trudeau Liberals are siding with the Government......clearly they too feel the election war is at stake... Quote
eyeball Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 What makes potentially bad legislation worse and even grotesque is when it's mostly motivated by the opportunity to corner your opponents prior to an election. Its one thing to get an undeserved and ill-advised GST cut this way but another thing altogether to get a bigger dictator's toolbox. Wtf did we do to deserve that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 What makes potentially bad legislation worse and even grotesque is when it's mostly motivated by the opportunity to corner your opponents prior to an election. Its one thing to get an undeserved and ill-advised GST cut this way but another thing altogether to get a bigger dictator's toolbox. Wtf did we do to deserve that? Apparently we voted for Harper. So lets not make that mistake again. Quote
eyeball Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 FPTP won't make avoiding that very easy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 I know, that split vote thing looms. However a coalition wouldnt be a bad thing I reckon. They actually tend to do very well. And anything would be better than another round of Harper. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 Which rights are being stripped away? Here's the bill: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6932136 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 6, 2015 Report Posted February 6, 2015 Here's the bill: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6932136 http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6932136&File=35#2 Love this bit. 2. The following definitions apply in this Act. “activity that undermines the security of Canada” « activité portant atteinte à la sécurité du Canada » “activity that undermines the security of Canada” means any activity, including any of the following activities, if it undermines the sovereignty, security or territorial integrity of Canada or the lives or the security of the people of Canada: .... (i) an activity that takes place in Canada and undermines the security of another state. That generality can be applied to half of our federal members in Parliament. Economic sanctions against Russia come to mind. The interference with Haiti also pops into memory. But again these rules apply to you and me, not govermnent officials. Quote
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