Big Guy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 The "good guys", "bad guys" differentiating in Israel is also becoming difficult. Unless you feel that "Amnesty International" and "Human Rights Watch" are biased Palestinian organizations then these observers are reporting some very disturbing examples of murder. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/israel-accused-deliberately-killing-protesters-151011103555813.html Israel's government is facing serious questions over its use of force in the latest outbreak of violence with protesters after a number of videos appeared online showing soldiers shooting at Palestinians. Amnesty International told Al Jazeera on Sunday that some of the recorded incidents amounted to "extrajudicial killings", while Human rights Watch was "strongly concerned" by Israel's "indiscriminate and even deliberate" use of fire on demonstrators. "These are extrajudicial killings against unarmed civilians," Mariam Farah, the spokesperson for Amnesty International in Israel, said. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 Amnesty International can't stop U.S. drone strikes either.....I guess Israel is the favoured topic for the BDS audience. Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Well Big Guy Most here know that if anyone did to the USA or Israel what they do abroad, we'd be hearing about it while they call foul AND call us anti-american or anti-semite, or throw in some kind of derangement syndrome. Heck, that even happens when we agree with them on certain topics.
jbg Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Yes. Let us pretend there is nothing before the "launch rockets -> get bombed" narrative. Oh and let us pretend that the law says you can't just carpet bomb people. Hamas runs a democracy. Perhaps the people there should vote out people who would provoke Israeli carpet bombings. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 but thanks for laying bare your intellectual bankruptcy - again. Yes. Thanks: I tend to leave these sorts of threads for the Jew haters to post their vitriol to each other "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Yet another young Palestinian mother and her child are murdered by U.S. -supplied Israeli military-- Noor Hassan was five-months pregnant and Israelis murdered her along with her three-year-old daughter in an air strike near Gaza City--there is one cause for this new cycle of violence and one cause only: the systematic, sustained, and unrelenting theft, occupation, and appropriation of Palestine by Israelis --nothing has changed ever since Israel was established in 1948 as a settler colony in Palestine --and before it since the rise of Zionism as a fanatical ideological zealotry to steal, occupy, populate, and appropriate Palestine --Now, the New York Times, the BBC, the CNN etc can dance gingerly around and about these simple facts never to address the root cause of any cycle of violence --but in the eye of the world at large it makes no difference: Israel has stolen Palestine and is ethnically cleansing it, and Palestinians are left to their own very limited means to defend themselves or to reclaim their homeland -- Gaza death toll 23 as Israel kills pregnant mom, daughter Edited October 13, 2015 by Michael Hardner image removed "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Yet another young Palestinian mother and her child are murdered by U.S. -supplied Israeli military-- ...Palestinians are left to their own very limited means to defend themselves or to reclaim their homeland -- So it's OK to "murder" older Palestinians without children ? Strategy isn't working for reclaiming the homeland....doesn't work for First Nations in Canada either. Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I believe that Netanyahu is losing support at home. His temporary policy shift during the elections allowed him to hold on to power - but is not giving him the full support of the Israeli people. I believe that most Israelis are decent people who are very concerned about recent Palestinian murders and the reaction of people from outside Israel. Netanyahu has led Israel down the road towards a rogue state reputation. I think that the good people in Israel are losing patience with the direction in which Netanyahu has taken their state. They have yet to be heard from. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Yet another young Palestinian mother and her child are murdered by U.S. -supplied Israeli military-- Noor Hassan was five-months pregnant and Israelis murdered her along with her three-year-old daughter in an air strike near Gaza City--there is one cause for this new cycle of violence and one cause only: the systematic, sustained, and unrelenting theft, occupation, and appropriation of Palestine by Israelis --nothing has changed ever since Israel was established in 1948 as a settler colony in Palestine --and before it since the rise of Zionism as a fanatical ideological zealotry to steal, occupy, populate, and appropriate Palestine --Now, the New York Times, the BBC, the CNN etc can dance gingerly around and about these simple facts never to address the root cause of any cycle of violence --but in the eye of the world at large it makes no difference: Israel has stolen Palestine and is ethnically cleansing it, and Palestinians are left to their own very limited means to defend themselves or to reclaim their homeland -- Gaza death toll 23 as Israel kills pregnant mom, daughter So it's OK to "murder" older Palestinians without children ? Strategy isn't working for reclaiming the homeland....doesn't work for First Nations in Canada either.I second B-C's question. Now let me see if I get it. It's OK for Palestinians out of nowhere to knife random people on buses, in cities, wherever they want. It's OK to maintain a continuing fighting force in Gaza. For American parallels it's OK for "unarmed blacks" to rob stores and walk down the middle of streets, and tell police to "f" themselves, and not expect consequences? What you're really saying is that people who want to accomplish something in life have to be at the mercy of nihilistic types who want no order or direction in life, and enjoy killing or maiming with impunity. Quite a dystopian world that creates. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Rue Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Big Guy has been stating that Netanyahu is losing support at home, support for Israel is fading, for what two years now on this forum and yet he's re-elected and continues to lead. Lol. As for Marcus, now he invents that Israelis are stabbing Palestinians. Fantasy land on this forum. As I stated-all this has done is arm and mobilize Israelis and once again vividly shows how the Palestinian community fails to control its people and believes it has the right to randomly attack innocent people and kill them as a legitimate act of political expression. Of course Big Guy, Marcus and my usual friends would come on this forum and try spin this latest terrorism as Netanyahu's fault. As for Big Guy stating he believes most Israelis are decent people I will be sure to tell them. I know that will make a huge impact on their lives and because of it, they will just stand there and die and not fight back.
jbg Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Fantasy land on this forum.One of the reasons I am here less often. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 As for Marcus, now he invents that Israelis are stabbing Palestinians. This is sad: Fifth stabbing confirmed as botched 'revenge attack' Israeli police now believe that a stabbing attack at an Ikea store in Kiryat Ata involved an Israeli man stabbing a fellow Israeli Jew - who he mistook for an Arab. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld initially called the stabbing a criminally motivated attack. But police have since concluded the man was hoping to stab an Arab in revenge for the attacks against Jews that have spread across Israel. However, he attacked another Israeli Jew whom he thought was an Arab because of his Middle Eastern appearance. In other news, the Israeli police and army are killing Palestinian children. As usual, that's okay... because they're using guns and they're not Jews. Young Palestinians tired of oppression "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 The simmiering hatred between the two major factions continues to get worse. The relative death and injury tolls between the Palestiunians and Israelis can be found at: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2015/10/mapping-dead-latest-israeli-palestinian-violence-151013142015577.html The figures indicate an overwhelming over reaction by Israel. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hudson Jones Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Posted October 14, 2015 This is what happens when a government's decades of social engineering creates masses with no empathy for human beings and analytical thinking. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) The "good guys", "bad guys" differentiating in Israel is also becoming difficult. Unless you feel that "Amnesty International" and "Human Rights Watch" are biased Palestinian organizations then these observers are reporting some very disturbing examples of murder. One of the ways to identify the most strident anti-semites, of course, is to see how dedicated they are to denouncing Israel, and cherry picking incidents in order to demonize Jews. We see that a lot from Nazi and Fascist groups throughout the world. and those who hold similar beliefs Edited October 14, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I second B-C's question. Now let me see if I get it. It's OK for Palestinians out of nowhere to knife random people on buses, in cities, wherever they want. To some people here, as long as they're only stabbing Jews there's no harm done. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 As for Big Guy stating he believes most Israelis are decent people I will be sure to tell them. I know that will make a huge impact on their lives and because of it, they will just stand there and die and not fight back. Pretty sure that would be his preference. That way we could 'wash our hands' of Israel like he wants, and befriend those fine, peace loving Iranians. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) This is sad: Fifth stabbing confirmed as botched 'revenge attack' Israeli police now believe that a stabbing attack at an Ikea store in Kiryat Ata involved an Israeli man stabbing a fellow Israeli Jew - who he mistook for an Arab. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld initially called the stabbing a criminally motivated attack. But police have since concluded the man was hoping to stab an Arab in revenge for the attacks against Jews that have spread across Israel. However, he attacked another Israeli Jew whom he thought was an Arab because of his Middle Eastern appearance. In other news, the Israeli police and army are killing Palestinian children. As usual, that's okay... because they're using guns and they're not Jews. Young Palestinians tired of oppression Excellent example of propaganda, Marcus! Seize on one case and use it to dismiss the dozens more cases of Palestinians stabbing random Jews out of religious fanaticism! That way you can cherry pick the situations you want and put the right spin on it. Goebbels would, I'm sure, be proud. Edited October 14, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Posted October 15, 2015 Excellent example of propaganda, Marcus! Seize on one case and use it to dismiss the dozens more cases of Palestinians stabbing random Jews out of religious fanaticism! That way you can cherry pick the situations you want and put the right spin on it. Goebbels would, I'm sure, be proud. OMG OMG ISRAELIS ARE DYING! IT MATTERS NOW! The Israelis have been killing Palestinians for decades, but it only becomes news to Zionists and their supporters when it's an Israeli being killed. Boohoo. Palestinians stab. Israelis bomb and shoot. I'm sure if the Palestinians had guns and missiles, their method of killing would be different. Somehow, killing by stabbing is so much worse than killing by guns and bombs. Here is an honest article from Haaretz: Palestinians Are Fighting for Their Lives; Israel Is Fighting for the Occupation The war did not start last Thursday, it does not start with the Jewish victims and does not end when no Jews are murdered. The Palestinians are fighting for their life, in the full sense of the word. We Israeli Jews are fighting for our privilege as a nation of masters, in the full ugliness of the term. That we notice there’s a war on only when Jews are murdered does not cancel out the fact that Palestinians are being killed all the time, and that all the time we are doing everything in our power to make their lives unbearable. Most of the time it is a unilateral war, waged by us, to get them to say “yes” to the master, thank you very much for keeping us alive in our reservations. When something in the war’s one-sidedness is disturbed, and Jews are murdered, then we pay attention. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) OMG OMG ISRAELIS ARE DYING! IT MATTERS NOW! Not to you, I'm sure. The Israelis have been killing Palestinians for decades, And vice versa. but it only becomes news to Zionists and their supporters when it's an Israeli being killed. Boohoo. What we're seeing take place now makes it very obvious just what situation the Israelis find themselves in, trying to maintain the only bastion of democracy in the middle east while faced with murderous attacks on innnoct people due to the rumor that Jews might be offending Allah with their presence near a mosque. Somehow, killing by stabbing is so much worse than killing by guns and bombs. When Israelis are deliberately attacking and murdering random men, women and children in the street, you get back to us. The only people the Israelis kill deliberately are those attacking them. They don't walk down streets shooting random Arabs just cuz. Edited October 15, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
logic guy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Actually, Israel has shown great restraint and patience given its military capabilities. They could have flattened Gaza decades ago. I totally agree with you. The terrorism that's going on in Israel right now is not even recognized by anyone. Terrorists run over people, kill parents in front of their children, stab soldiers... What I do not understand is that why Jews having such a small land is a big problem for the rest of the world. Do Arabs not have enough land to live in? How can the world let a country be governed by a terrorist organization like hamas
marcus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) trying to maintain the only bastion of democracy in the middle east No one who follows what is happening believes that crap. The only things Israel is trying to maintain are the occupation, the land theft and the status quo which includes human rights violation and many actions that contradict a democracy and of course, their attempt to sell to the world that it's something else. This is why we see things boil over every few years. The only difference is that each time it happens, more of the world is seeing the criminal that Israel is and the disturbing ideology of Zionism. Edited October 15, 2015 by marcus "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Canada_First Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Arabs are running down innocent Jews in Israel. Arabs are also stabbing Israeli Jews at the behest of Arab Sheikh's.
GostHacked Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I totally agree with you. The terrorism that's going on in Israel right now is not even recognized by anyone. Terrorists run over people, kill parents in front of their children, stab soldiers... What I do not understand is that why Jews having such a small land is a big problem for the rest of the world. Do Arabs not have enough land to live in? How can the world let a country be governed by a terrorist organization like hamas Mind if I come over and set up my new home in your living room? I'll have to set up check points too so you don't get in. Whaaat? This is not agreeable to you? Why?
GostHacked Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Arabs are running down innocent Jews in Israel. Arabs are also stabbing Israeli Jews at the behest of Arab Sheikh's. Jews are also stabbing Jews that LOOK like Arabs. It was an honest mistake really.
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