Two Police Shot Dead in NY

[WestCoastRunner]

Probably is...Two police officers are dead because the media glorified a myth, meanwhile race baiters Farrakhan and Sharpton got what they wanted

Anyone seen reports of angry mobs protesting the death of two cops by looting and rioting in Brooklyn? - me neither...

They are not dead because the media glorified a myth. There is no myth when thousands upon thousands of protestors across the U.S. are marching for human rights. It is the responsibility of the media to cover these protests. Are you suggesting the media ignore them?

[Big Guy]

What if the shooter, just before killing himself, shouted "Allahu Akbar"!

Might that change the dialogue?

[Guest]

Obviously. Why do you even ask?

You might as well ask would the dialogue change if the shooter had been a cop and the victim an unarmed black teenager with his hands tied behind his back and a blindfold on.

[scribblet]

They are not dead because the media glorified a myth. There is no myth when thousands upon thousands of protestors across the U.S. are marching for human rights. It is the responsibility of the media to cover these protests. Are you suggesting the media ignore them?

I'm saying that they are protesting a lie, 15/20 witnesses say Brown never had his hands in the air or said 'don't shoot' me. If he had, he'd be alive today.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27070538/police-union-some-protesters-cheered-when-officer-injured

People cheered when this cop was mowed down at a Ferguson rally, is that their idea of morality or social justice?

Al Sharpton is now a victim, he says he’s received threat and wants police protection... how about that.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm saying that they are protesting a lie, 15/20 witnesses say Brown never had his hands in the air or said 'don't shoot' me. If he had, he'd be alive today.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27070538/police-union-some-protesters-cheered-when-officer-injured

People cheered when this cop was mowed down at a Ferguson rally, is that their idea of morality or social justice?

Al Sharpton is now a victim, he says he’s received threat and wants police protection... how about that.

You are missing the point of these protests. They are the result of pent up anger at the way the African Americans are targeted. (human rights issues)

[WestCoastRunner]

It's interesting that when a white cop shoots a black person. The cop is automatically guilty and had some racist agenda. However when you turn that around and a black shoots a white cop it isn't hatred but instead some form of mental illness or some other excuse.

Same as Muslim terrorists. That's never about hate either according to the left but is about mental illness. So many Muslims and blacks have mental illness. Sounds like what you people are contending.

An armed cop shouldn't have mental illness when he is protecting communities. When cops kill unarmed citizens, that's when it becomes a problem and deserves closer scrutiny.

No one here is excusing the behaviour of the perpetrator killing these cops. You are suggesting otherwise.

[WestCoastRunner]

The black guy who killed the cops was racially motivated. The Ferguson case was not. That is my point.

No one is excusing the black guy who killed the cops. We don't know that the Ferguson was not racially motivated.

[Guest]

The black guy who killed the cops was racially motivated. The Ferguson case was not. That is my point.

I don't know if it can be described as racially motivated. He shot the cops from behind, and neither was white. I don't think he made any effort to ascertain their race, he just knew they were cops.

One would assume his group hatred was for cops.

Just as bad.

[Smallc]

You are missing the point of these protests. They are the result of pent up anger at the way the African Americans are targeted. (human rights issues)

That's totally irellivant. That's also part of a victimization complex.

Edited December 22, 2014 by Smallc

[WestCoastRunner]

That's totally irellivant. That's also part of a victimization conflict.

'Irrelevant'? If this portion of the U.S. population feels they are being victimized, why would you want to take away their right to demonstrations and protests and why would you deny the media to cover these demonstrations (not to mention that many other races participate in these protests)?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. You get the idea?

Edited December 22, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Smallc]

'Irrelevant'? If this portion of the U.S. population feels they are being victimized, why would you want to take away their right to demonstrations and protests and why would you deny the media to cover these demonstrations?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. You get the idea?

I'm not denying anything. I just think most of it is an extreme overreaction.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm not denying anything. I just think most of it is an extreme overreaction.

Of course it's extreme to you. Because you are not living it on a daily basis.

[Hal 9000]

An armed cop shouldn't have mental illness when he is protecting communities. When cops kill unarmed citizens, that's when it becomes a problem and deserves closer scrutiny.

No one here is excusing the behaviour of the perpetrator killing these cops. You are suggesting otherwise.

You're excusing the reason these cops were shot dead, just as you people excuse the reason every time a muslim chops off somebody's head.

[WestCoastRunner]

You're excusing the reason these cops were shot dead, just as you people excuse the reason every time a muslim chops off somebody's head.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't excused anyone for the despicable killing of these cops nor have I excused anyone for chopping off someone's head. Get real! Please quote where I excused these atrocities. This is simply crossing the line to accuse someone that doesn't agree with your politics.

Edited December 22, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Argus]

I agree. Turns out this was one disturbed person with a violent history. Apparently his mother was afraid of him. I don't think there is any doubt the recent protests and over the top rhetoric surrounding them, justified in his mind what he would probably have liked to do anyway.

But it is the rhetoric which inspires such people to commit violence, the rhetoric that Blacks need to be afraid of police, and Black parents have to warn their children to be wary of police, and people accusing the police of murdering Black people...

[Argus]

I don't know if it can be described as racially motivated. He shot the cops from behind, and neither was white. I don't think he made any effort to ascertain their race, he just knew they were cops.

He would have known they weren't black. To people like him, that pretty much meant white.

[On Guard for Thee]

It's interesting that when a white cop shoots a black person. The cop is automatically guilty and had some racist agenda. However when you turn that around and a black shoots a white cop it isn't hatred but instead some form of mental illness or some other excuse.

Same as Muslim terrorists. That's never about hate either according to the left but is about mental illness. So many Muslims and blacks have mental illness. Sounds like what you people are contending.

You are conflating issues that aren't related. This guy was crazy, he'd already shot his ex girlfriend and was on some sort of murderous rampage. Race is not really important to crazy people. Cops with guns in their holsters should be more stable.

[Hal 9000]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't excused anyone for the despicable killing of these cops nor have I excused anyone for chopping off someone's head. Get real! Please quote where I excused these atrocities. This is simply crossing the line to accuse someone that doesn't agree with your politics.

Sorry, you misunderstood! I never said you excused the atrocities, I said you excuse the reasons for the atrocities.

[On Guard for Thee]

So according to you, every black person who shoots a cop does so only because they are unstable and mentally ill. Oh, yes and every time a Muslim terrorist strikes against Canada they are also unstable and mentally ill as well.

Plenty of black people on death row who have killed white people. They must all be mentally ill as well. Look up the term "black rage". That's what black people use as an excuse to kill/rape or otherwise victimize white people.

The cop in Ferguson shot the guy because he tried to grab his gun. I suppose we should be talking about a dead cop. Actually if he had killed the cop we wouldn't be talking about it at all because it would hardly recognize as news. Isn't that sad?

There are so many lazy assumptions in that post I won't even bother to try and dismantle it.

[Smallc]

Of course it's extreme to you. Because you are not living it on a daily basis.

That's funny considering that you don't know me and that pretty much the exact opposite is true.

[jbg]

Probably is...Two police officers are dead because the media glorified a myth, meanwhile race baiters Farrakhan and Sharpton got what they wanted[/size]

Anyone seen reports of angry mobs protesting the death of two cops by looting and rioting in Brooklyn? - me neither...

Maybe we should get lawyers and accountants out looting. We all know how many Jewish attacks there were as a result of anger at the Holocaust. Edited December 22, 2014 by jbg

[jbg]

You are missing the point of these protests. They are the result of pent up anger at the way the African Americans are targeted. (human rights issues)

Are you saying that shooting cops on duty is somehow a response to pent-up anger? Edited December 22, 2014 by jbg

[Wilber]

But it is the rhetoric which inspires such people to commit violence, the rhetoric that Blacks need to be afraid of police, and Black parents have to warn their children to be wary of police, and people accusing the police of murdering Black people...

My point was, someone doesn't just decide to be a cop hater because of some rhetoric, it was already in them. The rhetoric just gave them the belief that they were justified in acting on it.

[eyeball]

Not really. Mentally disturbed or not, it appears that his trigger had to do with the misplaced hysteria surrounding these cases.

Mentally ill people often experience their delusions in a context that reflects current affairs. Whatever the issue du jour it is that's gripping society at the moment will often be reflected in the context of an individual's delusion. I wouldn't read too much more into the coincidence of this guy's breakdown and current events than any other coincidence of events and random breaks with reality.

That said, it's entirely possible the tone of the times is somehow driving vast numbers of people nuts. A chaotic disordered environment is definitely not a good place for the mentally unstable. Anything could set then off.

[Black Dog]

I'm saying that they are protesting a lie, 15/20 witnesses say Brown never had his hands in the air or said 'don't shoot' me. If he had, he'd be alive today.

Completely false.

More than 50 percent of the witness statements said that Michael Brown held his hands up when Darren Wilson shot him. (16 out of 29 such statements)

But it is the rhetoric which inspires such people to commit violence, the rhetoric that Blacks need to be afraid of police, and Black parents have to warn their children to be wary of police, and people accusing the police of murdering Black people...

That's not rhetoric: that's reality.

Anyway this cop killer was obviously mentally ill: if it wan't this thing that set him off it would have been something else.