TimG Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Perhaps in future you might consider reading the news about any issue under discussion, determining the facts for yourself, before forming an (erroneous) opinion.The "news" is often quite bad at reporting facts accurately. I do not consider a news report an authoritative source. Quote
jacee Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) The "news" is often quite bad at reporting facts accurately. I do not consider a news report an authoritative source.We discuss issues based on news all the time here. How can you discuss what's in the news if you don't read the news?Does it make a difference to your 'suck it up' opinion to know that the rape comments were posted with photos of specific female classmates? All of your posts in this thread are highly suspect now as they're based on a false assumption that these were vague comments about any/all women. Well they weren't. They were directed at specific female classmates of the 'DDS Gentlemen'. So now you know what the thread topic actually is. . Edited January 12, 2015 by jacee Quote
TimG Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 We discuss issues based on news all the time here. How can you discuss what's in the news if you don't read the news?We can discuss the news but when there is no way to independently verify the facts we can't take a claim made in the news as true. Does it make a difference to your 'suck it up' opinion to know that the rape comments were posted with photos of specific female classmates?Personal attacks are different. But we don't know whether this was is the case until the process concludes. Quote
jacee Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 We can discuss the news but when there is no way to independently verify the facts we can't take a claim made in the news as true. Personal attacks are different. But we don't know whether this was is the case until the process concludes. Yes we do know. They were personal attacks. The entire discussion here is about the fact that they posted the comments with photos of female classmates. Those specific female classmates are those invited to be involved in the restorative justice process, because they are the victims. (Not all of them are interested in that process.) Where did you get your 'facts' about the incident? . Quote
TimG Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Where did you get your 'facts' about the incident?I don't have any facts and that is my point - no one (including the news media) has any facts since the offending material has been removed. BTW - On a few occasions I have had personal knowledge of stories covered in the media. The media completely misrepresented the basic facts but I am sure people who saw the stories thought they were accurate because they had no reason to doubt the media. This experience is why I treat most news stories as heresay that need independent verification. Edited January 12, 2015 by TimG Quote
jacee Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 I don't have any facts and that is my point - no one (including the news media) has any facts since the offending material has been removed.Some of it was reported and google still works.You have no facts ... but you've posted quite a bit in this thread with some very strong and offensive opinions. Are you telling me now that you didn't have a clue what you were talking about? . Quote
TimG Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You have no facts ... but you've posted quite a bit in this thread with some very strong and offensive opinions.I have no facts and neither do you yet that does not stop you from having strong opinions. The difference is I acknowledge that there is no reliable information available and my argument that a process is required to evaluate the evidence and determine the level of culpability before any decisions are made about appropriate punishments. My definition of an appropriate punishment will depend on what was actually said - general comments about woman are less severe an offense than comments specifically targeting individuals. Nothing I have heard suggest that threats were made because threats are a criminal matter. Quote
jacee Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 I have no facts and neither do you yet that does not stop you from having strong opinions. The difference is I acknowledge that there is no reliable information available and my argument that a process is required to evaluate the evidence and determine the level of culpability before any decisions are made about appropriate punishments. My definition of an appropriate punishment will depend on what was actually said - general comments about woman are less severe an offense than comments specifically targeting individuals. Nothing I have heard suggest that threats were made because threats are a criminal matter. You didn't even 'hear' that the comments were directed at specific female classmates. I can guarantee that they felt threatened, and that's why a police investigation is warranted. And if you read the screen grab posted today, it appears that there's one ringleader who may well be the real perp, and some sniggering follower types. He should definitely be investigated by police. He could be a physical threat. . Quote
TimG Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 And if you read the screen grab posted today, it appears that there's one ringleader who may well be the real perpScreen grabs can be altered. The word of the lynch mob is not evidence that I take seriously. Like I said: a process needs to be followed and all of the evidence assessed. Quote
jacee Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Screen grabs can be altered. The word of the lynch mob is not evidence that I take seriously. Like I said: a process needs to be followed and all of the evidence assessed.By the police, not some secret university cover up.. Edited January 12, 2015 by jacee Quote
Big Guy Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Posted January 12, 2015 I agree. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) None of them have any time for those big football player types at all! You mean thugs? Or is that only reserved for big black football players? Your posts read like you're a caricature of Archie Bunker. Edited January 12, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Argus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Yes we do know. They were personal attacks. Well... maybe. Saying you lust after someone, however crudely put, is not necessarily a personal attack, especially when there is no intent for them to hear you say it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You mean thugs? Or is that only reserved for big black football players? Your posts read like you're a caricature of Archie Bunker. Always obsessed with race, aren't you? It's not even a part of this discussion! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Always obsessed with race, aren't you? It's not even a part of this discussion! It's all a part of your antiquated understanding of society. Quote
Argus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 It's all a part of your antiquated understanding of society. Ah I see, so you're saying the girls don't flock to football players any more. They long for the brainy, sensitive men of the chess club? Are you going to stand behind that position? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Your mind clearly only works in stereotypes, so it's not even worth explaining to you that not everyone is attracted to the same thing. Quote
Argus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Your mind clearly only works in stereotypes, so it's not even worth explaining to you that not everyone is attracted to the same thing. I think I've been pretty clear in saying there is no one thing which fits all people. Nevertheless, you can call it a stereotype if you want, but we all know the guys most likely to be sitting home on Friday nights are the chess club boys, not the football players. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 I think I've been pretty clear in saying there is no one thing which fits all people. Nevertheless, you can call it a stereotype if you want, but we all know the guys most likely to be sitting home on Friday nights are the chess club boys, not the football players. Always find it odd that it supposed to be the jocks and other alpha male types that are supposed to have no problems getting girls, yet whenever there's a story out about rape or sexual assault, it's the jocks or frat boys or the like involved. Never the chess club. Quote
Smallc Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Always find it odd that it supposed to be the jocks and other alpha male types that are supposed to have no problems getting girls, yet whenever there's a story out about rape or sexual assault, it's the jocks or frat boys or the like involved. Never the chess club. Actually, I'd like to see evidence of that. I'm not sure it's true. Quote
Smallc Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Your mind clearly only works in stereotypes, so it's not even worth explaining to you that not everyone is attracted to the same thing. Generally, stereotypes exist for a reason. Generally, girls are attracted to a certain type of male. It has to do with traits that harken back to more uncivilized days. It hasn't disappeared...just like the strange and disgusting variety of male sexual desire. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 ... we all know the guys most likely to be sitting home on Friday nights are the chess club boys, not the football players. Very true. In 1955. Actually, I'd like to see evidence of that. I'm not sure it's true. See Gamergate for a primer on how males behave in the current century. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Generally, stereotypes exist for a reason. Generally, girls are attracted to a certain type of male. It has to do with traits that harken back to more uncivilized days. You write as though "Say Anything" was never made... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Very true. In 1955. No, it's still true today. Quote
Argus Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Very true. In 1955. And 1965 and 1975 and 1985 and 1995 and 2005 and 2015 I spent ten years working with girls in their 20s, remember (up to 5 years back). I know what they were looking for in men. It had not changed since I was 20. I've seen no evidence whatsoever that it's changed since then either See Gamergate for a primer on how males behave in the current century. Oh yeah, gamer boys always get the girls... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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