On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Unbelievable, the misunderstanding about rape: The majority of convicted rapists assaulted for the emotion gratification they received from the violent act, not out of sexual frustration (Helen Lenskyj, “An Analysis of Violence Against Women: A Manual for Educators and Administrators,” Toronto: Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, 1992). Rape is an act of violence; it involves asserting control over another person and taking their power from them. Rapists use a person’s sexuality against their will as a weapon. Rapists are not men who cannot control their sexual desires; rape is most often a premeditated crime. I would totally agree. The idea of forcing a woman to have sex with me is about as far away from something that would turn me on as having a tooth pulled. Its power, not sex, ask Ghomeshi, Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 A violent act that happens to involve sexual activity. It's at least partly about sex. Did you comprehend my post? It's about using a person's sexuality against their will as a WEAPON. It's not about "people rape those which sexually arouse them. This is not exactly a secret." - quote from Argus. I don't understand your post. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 A violent act that happens to involve sexual activity. It's at least partly about sex. I dont think so. If a guy was just too horny he could have gone and, you know, jacked off, pardon my english. Rape is totally about violence. In other words you must have hate, not lust in your mind to do that. Quote
Smallc Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Did you comprehend my post? It's about using a person's sexuality against their will as a WEAPON. It's not about "people rape those which sexually arouse them. This is not exactly a secret." - quote from Argus. It's actually about both of those things. For some reason, you want to deny it. Edited February 4, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Bonam Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 So why do (straight) male rapists primarily rape women? Presumably they could do just as much violence to other males. Quote
Smallc Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 I dont think so. If a guy was just too horny he could have gone and, you know, jacked off, pardon my english. Rape is totally about violence. In other words you must have hate, not lust in your mind to do that. Sex and masturbation don't produce the same sensations. I would think that most of us would know that by now. Quote
Smallc Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 So why do (straight) male rapists primarily rape women? Presumably they could do just as much violence to other males. Because men are evil creatures that want to control women. Quote
Bonam Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) It also doesn't really fit with how rape is defined currently. For example, a college student who does not immediately cease all sexual contact the moment his partner is no longer providing "enthusiastic and continuous" consent is, by modern standards, a rapist. Is this college student who, perhaps through failure to understand body language or in the heat of the moment touched his partner for a few moments longer than he was invited to, really assumed to be an individual with hatred and violence on his mind, rather than simply making a mistake in the throes of passion? What % of modern rape cases are closer to the above scenario rather than the violent physical force scenario that people usually picture when they hear the word "rape"? Edited February 4, 2015 by Bonam Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 It also doesn't really fit with how rape is defined currently. For example, a college student who does not immediately cease all sexual contact the moment his partner is no longer providing "enthusiastic and continuous" consent is, by modern standards, a rapist. Is this college student who, perhaps through failure to understand body language or in the heat of the moment touched his partner for a few moments longer than he was invited to, really assumed to be an individual with hatred and violence on his mind, rather than simply making a mistake in the throes of passion? What % of modern rape cases are closer to the above scenario rather than the violent physical force scenario that people usually picture when they hear the word "rape"? 0% . Quote
Black Dog Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 It also doesn't really fit with how rape is defined currently. For example, a college student who does not immediately cease all sexual contact the moment his partner is no longer providing "enthusiastic and continuous" consent is, by modern standards, a rapist. Is this college student who, perhaps through failure to understand body language or in the heat of the moment touched his partner for a few moments longer than he was invited to, really assumed to be an individual with hatred and violence on his mind, rather than simply making a mistake in the throes of passion? What % of modern rape cases are closer to the above scenario rather than the violent physical force scenario that people usually picture when they hear the word "rape"? Why don't you tell us? Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Link? touched his partner for a few moments longer than he was invited to, Where's your link? . Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 So why do (straight) male rapists primarily rape women? Presumably they could do just as much violence to other males. Ask them. . Quote
cybercoma Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 It also doesn't really fit with how rape is defined currently. For example, a college student who does not immediately cease all sexual contact the moment his partner is no longer providing "enthusiastic and continuous" consent is, by modern standards, a rapist. Is this college student who, perhaps through failure to understand body language or in the heat of the moment touched his partner for a few moments longer than he was invited to, really assumed to be an individual with hatred and violence on his mind, rather than simply making a mistake in the throes of passion? What % of modern rape cases are closer to the above scenario rather than the violent physical force scenario that people usually picture when they hear the word "rape"? Wow. "Modern" rape. It's appalling how dismissive you are of anyone's, in this case women's, freedom to give and withdraw consent. If you force sex on someone who doesn't consent, you're a scumbag. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Posted February 4, 2015 To Bonam - "Why do straight male rapists primarily rape women?" Actually in the USA they don't: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html I believe that rape is still all about power and dominance. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Holy shit, that secret you speak of is one only shared by the mentally ill. Sane people cherish the people with whom they become intimate. Your comments are scary. Perhaps you could get someone who understands English better and ask them to explain my comments. I get the idea you aren't really set up to understand the language. Edited February 8, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Unbelievable, the misunderstanding about rape: The majority of convicted rapists assaulted for the emotion gratification they received from the violent act, not out of sexual frustration (Helen Lenskyj, “An Analysis of Violence Against Women: A Manual for Educators and Administrators,” Toronto: Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, 1992). Rape is an act of violence; it involves asserting control over another person and taking their power from them. Rapists use a person’s sexuality against their will as a weapon. Rapists are not men who cannot control their sexual desires; rape is most often a premeditated crime. That's all really dated and not applicable any more. It comes from a time when 'the public's definition of rape,which we don't even define as a crime any more, consisted of predatory serial rapists who hid in bushes to jump out at virginal girls, or break into their houses. We didn't used to think about date rape, spousal assault or family abuse, but it was always the majority of cases. Most rapes (sexual assault now) are and have always been committed by people the victim knows and who are in, the vast majority of cases, under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It is rarely a premeditated crime. Edited February 8, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 0% . Oh, date rape doesn't happen? Well, I'm sure that's good to know. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Perhaps you could get someone who understands English better and ask them to explain my comments. I get the idea you aren't really set up to understand English. I understand English pretty well. Certainly as well as you. What you seemed to try to do was dismiss rape somehow as just a sexual act which it is not. I think most of us could think of many times they were sexually aroused but wouldnt even consider forcing ourselves on the subject of our arousal. Its a whole different thought pattern than, boy she looks pretty good, that causes someone to do so. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Posted February 8, 2015 I guess that some self appointed experts on sexuality on this board believe that as soon as men are incarcerated then they become gay - and aggressive gays at that. The stats indicate that about a quarter million men are raped every year by other men in prisons in the USA. Even the slow witted might deduce that maybe rape has little to do with sex and lots to do power and dominance. Well, perhaps the less slow witted might. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 That's all really dated and not applicable any more. It comes from a time when 'the public's definition of rape,which we don't even define as a crime any more, consisted of predatory serial rapists who hid in bushes to jump out at virginal girls, or break into their houses. We didn't used to think about date rape, spousal assault or family abuse, but it was always the majority of cases. Most rapes (sexual assault now) are and have always been committed by people the victim knows and who are in, the vast majority of cases, under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It is rarely a premeditated crime. Not even worth my time. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Not even worth my time. Definitely past his 'best before' date on this topic. Approaching rancid. . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Definitely past his 'best before' date on this topic. Approaching rancid. . Like I say, a caricature I will include in a screen play. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Like I say, a caricature I will include in a screen play. Yup ... the antagonist. . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Yup ... the antagonist. . hehe, I'm looking forward to expanding on the character! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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