Argus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 So maybe get together and just dig one hole to hide your heads. Believe me, my outrage is not faux. That's the sad part, that you get outraged so much by so little. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 I think like others on this board, you simply don't like men. I'm not sure why you would make that assumption, except to rationalize your own point of view I suppose. I'm even less sure why you would post a guess at somebody's private thoughts. I guess that's where the discussion ends, then. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Black Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) It's clear you have no understanding of male social behaviour or the meaning of such statements. That this shit is considered normal male social behaviour is part of the problem. Exactly. Women, you see, are cherished china dolls, less capable than children, and just as sensitive. They must be wrapped in swaddling clothes and protected from rudeness and offensive behaviour lest they be forever traumatized by the slightest hint of (eek!) perverted male sexual interest! I really don't undersand how we are letting women be dentists at all since they're far, far too sensitive for such tasks, the poor dears. While, to you, are idiotic brutes who certainly can't be expected to be responsible for their actions or to rise above any immature and puerile behaviours. It's up to everyone else to modify their behaviour and attitudes to accommodate these primitive proto-human creatures. Edited January 7, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
Argus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 While, to you, are idiotic brutes who certainly can't be expected to be responsible for their actions or to rise above any immature and puerile behaviours. It's up to everyone else to modify their behaviour and attitudes to accommodate these primitive proto-human creatures. The problem with you dainty, delicate types is that you have this vast horror of sex, especially male sexuality. The narrative is that whenever men fantasize about sex with women that's a horrific threat. On the other hand, women can freely fantasize about sex with men and people will just giggle and laugh, as in this bit of nonsense from today's paper. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/06/new-england-patriots-rob-gronkowski-is-the-star-of-a-new-erotic-novel-and-the-author-explains-why/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 I'm not sure why you would make that assumption, except to rationalize your own point of view I suppose. I'm even less sure why you would post a guess at somebody's private thoughts. Hardly very private. It's clear you have a deep fear and dissaproval of male sexuality. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) The problem with you dainty, delicate types is that you have this vast horror of sex, especially male sexuality. That's be weird what with me being a hetero male and all. Perhaps what you mean to say is we have a dim view of the brutish cartoon version of male sexuality you take to be the norm, which bears no small resemblance to the views of radical Islamists you bang on about so frequently with every man a barely constrained beast. The narrative is that whenever men fantasize about sex with women that's a horrific threat. That's quite the strawman. But let's say that's so: perhaps it says something about how frequently male sexual fantasy involves violence or rape (the subject of this thread being a fine example of that). On the other hand, women can freely fantasize about sex with men and people will just giggle and laugh, as in this bit of nonsense from today's paper. from the article: Tell me about the story’s climax, where Rob Gronkowski spikes a football into the heroine’s butt. Was that always the plan, or did that plot point sort of evolve naturally? ... Noonan: I remember reading about how Kafka didn’t want the “bug” on the cover of Metamorphosis. Gronk’s spike impacts in a mystical, non-physical realm of Leigh’s being. Although, quickly scanning my Word doc, I found that I wrote “between her butt-cheeks.” So, jury’s still out on that one. Yeah, it's a real mystery why a tongue-in-cheek, obviously satirical thing like that would cause people to giggle and laugh. . Edited January 7, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
Smallc Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 That this shit is considered normal male social behaviour is part of the problem. Since the beginning of time it has been. Quote
poochy Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 I would like to perform a study, i would like to know how many of the same people that are now insisting that these male students, who wrote those stupid, and vulgar things, be dismissed, are also against say mandatory minimums for real crimes, or real life sentences for murderers, or who think that every offender needs a chance to be rehabilitated, etc so on, and so forth. How much cross over is their between those groups and say the groups who attacked a scientist for wearing a perhaps unprofessional at worse and pretty tame shirt in most peoples minds, a shirt made by a women just for him, being complained about by 'feminists' (whatever that means today) no doubt most of whom wore clothes excursively made by female children in some third world sweatshop. Ahh the moral high ground. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 It's clear you have no understanding of male social behaviour or the meaning of such statements. I think she understands it just find. I think you have no understanding that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable as you sit here and try to brush it off as de rigeur. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 7, 2015 Report Posted January 7, 2015 They actually didn't threaten to do anything. it was a public display of common private fantasies. "Common" Disgusting. Quote
Argus Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 That's be weird what with me being a hetero male and all. Perhaps what you mean to say is we have a dim view of the brutish cartoon version of male sexuality you take to be the norm, You think your metrosexual, delicate, oh-so-sensitive version of male sexuality is the norm because it is in academia and largely in media, but in real life there are a lot of guys like Louis CK, and not that many Seinfelds. That's quite the strawman. But let's say that's so: perhaps it says something about how frequently male sexual fantasy involves violence or rape (the subject of this thread being a fine example of that). I think your version of 'violence' is not what most men would take to be violent. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 "Common" Disgusting. Well you're going to have to be disgusted by pretty much everyone. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Well you're going to have to be disgusted by pretty much everyone. Naw, you're pretty much in a small group of your own. I suspect that actual professional people will abhor this sickening nonsense and conclude that whoever these tweeters are don't belong and ought to be cast aside. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Would you want anyone who is that "sack of hammers" kind of dumb drilling into your teeth? Quote
Smallc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Naw, you're pretty much in a small group of your own. I suspect that actual professional people will abhor this sickening nonsense and conclude that whoever these tweeters are don't belong and ought to be cast aside. Actually, I'm thinking that some of you live a very sheltered life. It's probably because people are scared to say anything less than politically correct around you, lest they be bombarded with liberal outrage. I'll actually expand what I said. Many women also have fantasies like this (though less violent), and share them amongst each other. Quote
Smallc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Would you want anyone who is that "sack of hammers" kind of dumb drilling into your teeth? Intelligence and sexuality aren't related, at least not in the way you're trying to imply. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Actually, I'm thinking that some of you live a very sheltered life. It's probably because people are scared to say anything less than politically correct around you, lest they be bombarded with liberal outrage. I'll actually expand what I said. Many women also have fantasies like this (though less violent), and share them amongst each other. My life has been the farthest thing you could possibly imagine away from sheltered. Which I suspect has something to do with the fact I have a lot of respect for people, regardless of color or gender, and why it disgusts me when people who are supposed to be professionals stoop to this low life stuff, especially in this case when my tax bucks help train them. Liberal outrage as you call it gets developed through NOT living a sheltered life. Try it some time. Quote
Smallc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Then all that time, your eyes were closed. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Intelligence and sexuality aren't related, at least not in the way you're trying to imply. No, I'll tell you what I'm trying to imply: I don't think people who spend their time tweeting such things as who they'd like to "HateF**k" are people I want working on my body. Perhaps it's OK with you, that's your choice. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 Then all that time, your eyes were closed. Let me edify you, it's hard to fly around the world with your eyes closed. Quote
Smallc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 As a person who deals with people every day, I can separate sexual fantasy from professional work. My biggest problem with what they did is that it was in the open. It happens all the time in people's head's and in private conversation, but people should be careful. I wouldn't expect that they'd do anything to me in their professional life, regardless. Quote
jacee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 As a person who deals with people every day, I can separate sexual fantasy from professional work. My biggest problem with what they did is that it was in the open. It happens all the time in people's head's and in private conversation, but people should be careful. I wouldn't expect that they'd do anything to me in their professional life, regardless. This isn't about sex. It's violent threats posted against specific female classmates. It's a criminal matter. Quote
Bonam Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 It's a criminal matter. So where is the criminal trial and prosecution, the charges, the evidence? Quote
jacee Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Remains to be seen whether some women pursue criminal charges. . Edited January 8, 2015 by jacee Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2015 Report Posted January 8, 2015 As a person who deals with people every day, I can separate sexual fantasy from professional work. My biggest problem with what they did is that it was in the open. It happens all the time in people's head's and in private conversation, but people should be careful. I wouldn't expect that they'd do anything to me in their professional life, regardless. I think you've summarized it well here, ie. comments made "in the open" although it's not clear to me yet how open they were. Nobody is trying to legislate private thoughts, or even comments spoken among friends in jest. And... peoples' work environments are very different, it seems, and it's hard for those who work in ... let's say ,... a more "open and friendly" environment to relate to a more "professional and friendly" environment. Argus, for example, considers his work-mates "friends". While my workplace is very friendly and vibrant, the typical turnover period for an employee is 1-year so a very defined set of behaviors has naturally evolved in my workplace that is inclusive of strangers, very polite and relaxed but admittedly less personal. Because of those differences, talking about workplace rules between us is difficult, IMO. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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