Iran Key To Middle East Peace

bush_cheney2004 · February 2, 2016

The desire for democracy has been very strong in Iran. The 1953 shameful British-CIA sponsored military coup was a massive blow to democracy in Iran which many believe led to Iranian revolution in 1979.....

So what is taking them so long ? The American rebels managed to get rid of the oppressive British Empire and its royal loyalists in just a few years.

CITIZEN_2015 · February 2, 2016

You should ask an expert in middle east or Iranian politics or an Iranian citizen or resident who is well versed in politics as what has been the chain of events last 70 years but in my non expert view I would say there is a big difference as Americans were fighting a FOREIGN enemy who occupied their land so they were united and drove out or defeated the occupying army. Same way that Iranians united and defeated the occupying invading armed to teeth (by US, France, Russia) Iraqi army in the 80's. Fighting for democracy and independence (the latter they have achieved it already) is much more complex and has a much longer path especially when it is intended to be achieved in a peaceful non-violent manner as the case would be with Iran.

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bush_cheney2004 · February 2, 2016

.... I would say there is a big difference as Americans were fighting a FOREIGN enemy who occupied their land so they were united and drove out or defeated the occupying army.

Ummm...no...the Americans were fighting fellow British subjects/redcoats, natives, and loyalists. It was a revolutionary war...Iranians should know all about that.

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CITIZEN_2015 · February 2, 2016

Not sure why Iranians should know about American history any more than Americans know about Iranian history!!!!! And the Americans are mostly totally ignorant.

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bush_cheney2004 · February 2, 2016

Not sure why Iranians should know about American history any more than Americans know about Iranian history!!!!!

No..the Islamic Revolution in Iran, not the American Revolution. Iranians should know about that....spill some blood for freedom.

That said the American independence was not achieved through non-violent means. The war for independence can be accepted to be achieved through violence but it is different when you face your own kind and the fight is for democracy.

No it's not....many nations have done it. Nothing special about Iran.

CITIZEN_2015 · February 2, 2016

No it's not....many nations have done it. Nothing special about Iran.

Yes Libya has done it. Egypt has done it. Syria is dong it...................... All through violent means and none achieved democracy or are better off post revolution than before. The correct manner is the way the former unions of Soviet including Russia and Eastern Europe did it in the 80's and 90's and all are better off and most achieved democracy.

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bush_cheney2004 · February 2, 2016

...Yes Libya has done it. Egypt has done it. Syria is dong it...................... All through violent means and none achieved democracy or are better off post revolution than before. The correct manner is the way the former unions of Soviet including Russia and Eastern Europe did it in the 80's and 90's and all are better off and most achieved democracy.

OK...so how's that working out for them ? Eastern Europe had a little help from their "friends".

CITIZEN_2015 · February 3, 2016

Again I can't comment on something that I am an outsider

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bush_cheney2004 · February 3, 2016

Again I can't comment on something that I am an outsider but I hear there is free health for everyone

Irrelevant..there is more to freedom than "free" healthcare. Free healthcare won't help their severed heads after speaking out against the mullahs.

As a comparison lets look at the 1917 Russian revolution achieved through violence resulting in a much worse dictatorship and the evil Soviet empire when millions of Russians died under torture or in Siberia in concentration camps lasting 80 years and the 1993 democratic move to Russian Federation where a near democracy Russia was founded.

First Nations and other minorities didn't do so well in Canada either during the same period, even with "democracy".

CITIZEN_2015 · February 3, 2016

First nations were not exiled to camps like the ones in Siberia or put in prison and tortured as this was the case for millions of Russians during the Soviet era and many thousands died for simple opposition to Soviet regime. Again I am an outsider here when it comes to Russia but a Russian Resident or citizen who lived in both eras can comment and most likely would say that first nations were much better off than Soviet citizens in terms of political freedom or standard of living compared to Russian natives in Siberia.

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CITIZEN_2015 · February 5, 2016

Canada lifting some economic sanctions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-iran-economic-sanctions-1.3435675

Big Guy · February 5, 2016

Canada lifting some economic sanctions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-iran-economic-sanctions-1.3435675

Great!!! And it's about time. Lift ALL sanctions!

People forget that when you apply sanctions on any country you are causing your own county initial harm but also undermining trade for the future:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sanctions-against-iran-and-others-pose-burdens-for-canada-briefing-note-says-1.3409326

You refuse to sell or buy some commodity from a country then they find other trading partners and when the sanctions are lifted you may have found that your products are now being purchased from another country.

I hope that is not the case in our trade with Iran.

If you remember, recently the Canadian taxpayer gave about $ billion to Bombardier to keep it alive and meanwhile Iran spends $20 billion on European Airbus for new airplanes. Boy, we sure showed Iranians and Europeans how smart we are !!!

CITIZEN_2015 · February 6, 2016

Canadian companies especially Bombardier buoyed by partial lifting of Canadian sanctions on Iran:

Billion of dollars expected in coming years

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-lifts-some-sanctions-against-iran/article28599830/

DogOnPorch · February 9, 2016

Soviet involvement in Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_and_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

Rue · February 11, 2016

Great!!! And it's about time. Lift ALL sanctions!

People forget that when you apply sanctions on any country you are causing your own county initial harm but also undermining trade for the future:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sanctions-against-iran-and-others-pose-burdens-for-canada-briefing-note-says-1.3409326

You refuse to sell or buy some commodity from a country then they find other trading partners and when the sanctions are lifted you may have found that your products are now being purchased from another country.

Yes this coming from someone who came on this forum supporting the boycott of Israel. Lol.

kactus · February 11, 2016

Not sure why Iranians should know about American history any more than Americans know about Iranian history!!!!! And the Americans are mostly totally ignorant. A majority of them even have the misconception that Iran is an Arab country never mind its history!!!!

Anyhow The American Revolutionary conflict evolved into a global war, during which the Patriots fought the British and Loyalists in what became known as the American Revolutionary war and lasted 18 years.

So the American independence was against the occupying British and was not achieved through non-violent means. The war for independence can be accepted to be achieved through violence but it is different when you face your own people and the fight is for democracy. A true path to democracy got to be achieved through peaceful means and in a democratic manner. Is Libya or Egypt any better now than before?

And this video was 7 years ago when Ahmadinejhad was still in power. Now that there is a relatively more moderate government in Iran you still get some people moaning about About human rights now that the nuclear deal is reached...

Watch also the video from Jason Jones: Behind the veil - Ayatollah you so

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Big Guy · February 11, 2016

Thanks for the link. Those Islamophobic bright lights will just denounce it as an edited propaganda attempt by that Muslim John Daily in his show. I thought the description by the two gentlemen of those Americans who believe all that crap from their government very apt.

BTW - I warn the Islamophobes on this board not to watch this video. It may make you think on your own and give you a headache.

kactus · February 13, 2016

Not a problem. What I have shared is the tip of the iceberg. There are tons of videos about Iranian people and the perception of foreigners who have met them...I am certain if one has a genuine interest in getting to know Iranian/Canadians they will find out the role they play in a society they live in.

bush_cheney2004 · February 13, 2016

Actually, there are over 1,000,000 Iranian-Americans living in the United States....far more than in Canada.

I guess they voted with their feet.

On Guard for Thee · February 13, 2016

Not a problem. What I have shared is the tip of the iceberg. There are tons of videos about Iranian people and the perception of foreigners who have met them...I am certain if one has a genuine interest in getting to know Iranian/Canadians they will find out the role they play in a society they live in.

Having worked in Iran I can relate to the video. I worked directly with Iranians, both men and women, had very similar experiences. And that was a few years prior to when this video was made.

kactus · February 17, 2016

Having worked in Iran I can relate to the video. I worked directly with Iranians, both men and women, had very similar experiences. And that was a few years prior to when this video was made.

Amen! Atlast we have someone who speaks of experience.

Thank you

On Guard for Thee · February 17, 2016

Amen! Atlast we have someone who speaks of experience.

Thank you

I will admit I had, what I'll call my western style pre-concieved notions about what I would experience there. How nice to have them evaporate so quickly. It caused me to hark back to a geography teacher I had way back when, who was so interesting to listen to as she had traveled so much that her anecdotes were every bit as enlightening as anything in the text books.

kactus · February 17, 2016

This video link pretty much wraps up why is key to the middle east peace process...
Good to see there are some prominient Americacans who speak against the incompetent government of Netanyahu....
Ofcourse how s speech for AIPAC is for more donations...

The reality is the Netanyahu's speech about Iran being an existential threat to Israel is nothing more than the fear of Iran getting closer to US. Everything he said in his speech is a hog wash...

Link:

video link

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Rue · February 18, 2016

Amen! Atlast we have someone who speaks of experience.

Thank you

Yes remember that when you and he and Big Guy and all the rest of you experts discuss Israel. Lol do you even read what you write?

Rue · February 18, 2016

I will admit I had, what I'll call my western style pre-concieved notions about what I would experience there. How nice to have them evaporate so quickly. It caused me to hark back to a geography teacher I had way back when, who was so interesting to listen to as she had traveled so much that her anecdotes were every bit as enlightening as anything in the text books.

So tell me when were you in Gaza, the West Bank, Israel? Hmmm? You want to pass yourself off as an expert on the ME because you claim to have been in Iran and now you are in the know about Iran and how it really works? Is that the elitist presumption and base for arroganceyou now want to stand on as your pedestal to claim your opinions in Iran are superior to others? Right then.