kactus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I have already given a cite from quite a respectable source which says they do indeed fund the Taliban. You've given... uh, nothing whatsoever to refute it. So your denial is worth a quick flush, and no more. The very fact that you don't just understand that fundamentally Iran cannot support the taliban whether from strategic perspective, religious or political motivations leads me to believe that there is very little you know about this area. P.s do not bother giving me single examples to reiterate your point. Look at the overall picture vis a vis Iran/ US relations in regards to combatting talibans instead of nitpicking..... You really ought to do some further readings on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 If you refuse to do your assigned homework then you will never be in a position to argue foreign affairs intelligently or your views taken seriously. So in other words I'd be as bad as you? I'm not worried such a thing would ever happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I am questioning your source JP. Ofcourse they are not going to write anything that is unbiased. As with regards to hezobollah being funded by Iran I don't need to refer to JP to know that... The point is many countries including the US support regimes, organisations or states to their own means...so there's nothing new there So you don't even question the truth, just don't like that it was Jews that wrote it. Okay. So we've established with multiple sources that Iran funds terrorists and guerrillas across the middle east, and sends its own revolutionary guards to help combat those fighting Assad. And yet some people seem to want us to embrace Iran while they complain about how destabilizing all those Jews are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 The very fact that you don't just understand that fundamentally Iran cannot support the taliban whether from strategic perspective, religious or political motivations leads me to believe that there is very little you know about this area. So your expertise should be taken for granted as being far superior to the Wall Street Journal, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) So you don't even question the truth, just don't like that it was Jews that wrote it. Okay. So we've established with multiple sources that Iran funds terrorists and guerrillas across the middle east, and sends its own revolutionary guards to help combat those fighting Assad. And yet some people seem to want us to embrace Iran while they complain about how destabilizing all those Jews are.There is a lot that I don't agree with the policies of Israel as far as Bibi is concerned....If that is 'anti-semitism' to you and your ilks tough s....I don't give a damn.Israel commits terrorist activities against other soveriegn nations as well. Only a few years ago a few intelligence sources linked them to killing iranian top scientists. But in your biased view you don't consider that a terrorist act and that doesn't really surprise me? Edited January 19, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 So your expertise should be taken for granted as being far superior to the Wall Street Journal, right? So long as you refuse to comprehend that Iran and Taliban are arch enemies there is nothing I can tell you. You obvoiusly are not listening to the advise provided to you earlier so I rest my case.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 So long as you refuse to comprehend that Iran and Taliban are arch enemies there is nothing I can tell you. You obvoiusly are not listening to the advise provided to you earlier so I rest my case.... Iran and the Taliban are enemies on paper. Lately though, US intelligence suggests that Iran is not above helping the Taliban if it sticks it to the US of A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Iran and the Taliban are enemies on paper. Lately though, US intelligence suggests that Iran is not above helping the Taliban if it sticks it to the US of A. Let's say your hypothesis about this intelligence is right, which I think isn't....Many countries change their friends and enemies including US of A. So what? Edited January 18, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Iran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Let's say your hypothesis about this intelligence is right, which I think isn't....Many countries change their friends and enemies including US of A. So what? LOL. So suddenly it's not so impossible, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Iran and the Taliban are enemies on paper. Lately though, US intelligence suggests that Iran is not above helping the Taliban if it sticks it to the US of A. For what it's worth the opposite has been proven true. After 9/11 Iran helped the US secure the border between Iran and Afghanistan. Your Wikipedia article might be .. wrong. I also apologize for not using Infowars. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-gave-us-help-on-al-qaeda-after-9-11/ ran rounded up hundreds of Arabs to help the United States counter al Qaeda after the Sept. 11 attack after they crossed the border from Afghanistan, a former Bush administration official said Tuesday. Many were expelled, Hillary Mann Leverett said, and the Iranians made copies of almost 300 of their passports.The copies were sent to Kofi Annan, then the secretary-general of the United Nations, who passed them to the United States, and U.S. interrogators were given a chance by Iran to question some of the detainees, Leverett said in an Associated Press interview. Leverett, a Middle East expert who was a career U.S. Foreign Service officer, said she negotiated with Iran for the Bush administration in the 2001-3 period, and Iran sought a broader relationship with the United States. "They thought they had been helpful on al Qaeda, and they were," she said. For one thing, she said, Iran denied sanctuary to suspected al Qaeda operatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 My info from here...not Infowars. http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2011/03/16/concern-us-over-increasing-iranian-activity-afghanistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Kactus you stated to Argus: " you refuse to comprehend that Iran and Taliban are arch enemies.." You then followed up and again repeated his position that the Taliban works with Iran is wrong by saying: "Let's say your hypothesis about this intelligence is right, which I think isn't...." and "So long as you refuse to comprehend that Iran and Taliban are arch enemies there is nothing I can tell you." The fact is you are wrong and Argus was stating a fact and here are sources to back what he said: http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and-arms-1434065528 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2015-06-21/enemy-irans-enemy-afghanistan http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/may/22/taliban-delegation-official-visit-tehran-iran-isis http://www.ibtimes.com/iran-providing-weapons-funds-taliban-counter-isis-afghanistan-report-1963998 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/11672953/Iran-trains-Taliban-fighters-in-four-camps.html http://tribune.com.pk/story/904343/strange-bedfellows-afghan-taliban-seek-irans-support-against-daish/ You have now tried to deny the above alliance with comments like these: "The point is many countries including the US support regimes, organisations or states to their own means...so there's nothing new there.." and "....Many countries change their friends and enemies including US of A. So what?" Stop back pedalling. You got caught, move on its a fact Iran has allied now with the Taliban and if they were as you say arch enemies they would not do so: http://www.arabnews.com/columns/news/775176 The fact they can form any kind of alliance proves you wrong. Logic alone would tell you one does not ally with an arch enemy. The point Argus made was right. He did not state Iran loves the Taliban or hates it. You are the one back pedalling using the ridiculous argument that Iran still hates its ally the Taliban-clearly not enough otherwise it would not be financing them and training them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Rue... I have not backed down from my initial assertions. Iran has cooperated with the US covertly to combat Alqaeda and Taliban. In principle there are fundamental differences between the two and post 9/11 events proves that. Iran almost went to a war with the Saudi backed Taliban fir killing its diplomats in Kabul. As I said there may be said reports that hypothesises certain cooperation between the two but so what? And yes many countries including Israel chose friends and enemies when it suits them...I wished the politics was black and white but that's life...Focus on the whole picture instead of nitpicking to dis Iran on as one would usually do.... Iran is not allied with Taliban. You can turn and twist the words whicever way to prove the point. Edited January 19, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Looks like Canada and Iran will not become BFFs just yet because of existing legislation: Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act Iran is also officially listed as a state sponsor of terrorism. Good luck with that.... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-iran-sanctions-1.3411287 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Maybe the US needs to be listed as a state sponsor of terrorism. Look what Bush Cheney did in Iraq after all. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-jett/state-sponsors-of-terrorism-list_b_7658880.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) There appear to be some posters here who have fallen for the anti-Iranian propaganda posted by those with their own dark agendas. I would recommend taking the time to view the following video of <sarcasm> "those scumbag and murdering terrorist Iranians and filmed by that Muslim terrorist loving media outlet - CNN".<sarcasm> While the focus is Iranian food it does give you an accurate view of what is actually happening in Iran and what the average Iranian is like: Anthony Bourdain in Iran I suggest that you make up your own mind. Edited January 22, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 There appear to be some posters here who have fallen for the anti-Iranian propaganda posted by those with their own dark agendas. Like Amnesty International and Freedom House, you mean? What is their dark agenda? Your continuing desperate efforts at promoting Iran simply give the lie to your whining about human rights concerns with Israel. Clearly human rights abuses don't bother you at all unless Jews are seen as being responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Like Amnesty International and Freedom House, you mean? What is their dark agenda? Your continuing desperate efforts at promoting Iran simply give the lie to your whining about human rights concerns with Israel. Clearly human rights abuses don't bother you at all unless Jews are seen as being responsible. You have obviously not viewed your homework. I am disappointed but not surprised. You may find that if you spend more time reading and researching topics than you spend on posting, you may add more substance to your views and gain credibility. I will be glad to reply after you have viewed the video. Until then ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 You have obviously not viewed your homework. I am disappointed but not surprised. You may find that if you spend more time reading and researching topics than you spend on posting, you may add more substance to your views and gain credibility. I will be glad to reply after you have viewed the video. Until then ... Iran in the eyes of many is viewed through a tinted spectacle and judged by that standard unfortunately. That tinted spectacle is the analogy for narrow mindedness... It's unlikely one can change such mindset and an attempt to do that is futile unless one is unbiased and open to ideas. Thank for sharing the video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Argus Iran is a peace loving state, Your dark agenda and tinted spectacle (hey now why do you only wear one and not 2?) is unfortunate. I doubt I can change your mind on how wonderful and misunderstood Iran is. Please do not read the following: http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-n-report-slams-iran-s-human-rights-record-1446082733 (as to the above, only listen to the UN if it criticizes Israel, if it reports on Iran's human rights violations its dark and tinted) http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/human-rights/254-stop-executions-in-iran/19774-factsheet-rouhani-s-record (extreme caution: the above is very very dark and very very tinted) http://iranhr.net/en/ (caution: the above is dark and tinted) http://www.amnesty.ca/news/news-updates/iran-execution-of-young-woman-a-bloody-stain-on-country%E2%80%99s-human-rights-record (caution: you can use Amnesty to criticize Israel but not Iran, if you do the latter and not the former its dark and tinted) the following site stay away from Argus as it is written by dark, tinted Iranians: http://iranvajahan.net/en/iran/irans-horrific-human-rights-record/ the following site, clearly dark and need I say tinted I mean just the name "freedomhouse" should tell you how dark it is... https://freedomhouse.org/article/iranian-execution-poet-further-darkens-iran-s-human-rights-record ignore al alarabiya-they are dark and tinted: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2014/10/31/Iran-s-human-rights-records-is-spiraling-downwards.html also please do not listen to dark and tainted Iranians: http://iran-humanrightsrecord.blogspot.ca/ please ignore this dark tinted source: http://www.iranhrdc.org/english/news/inside-iran/index.1.html HEY NOW YOU REALLY DO NOT WANT TO READ THESE ONES THEY ARE LIKE AS DARK AND TINTED AS IT CAN GET: http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Iran.htm http://www.rferl.org/content/human-trafficking-uzbekistan-russia-iran/25022605.html http://humanrightssociety.org/2014/02/07/iran-forgotten-children-human-trafficking-child-labor/ http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/iraq-human-trafficking-absence-law.html http://newagebd.net/107753/human-trafficking-kingpin-arrested-in-iran-brought-back-by-cid/ The above? Hey now. Its just dark tinted stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Iran continues to expand its influence in the Middle East. Already Iranian troops are one of the few ground troops fighting against ISIS and still waiting for support. Now, Iran is recruiting Afghan fighters (trained in the past by the USA) to fight in Syria along with their allies Assad and Russia. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/iran-foreign-legion-leans-afghan-shia-syria-war-160122130355206.html The creation of an Afghan Shia division in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards structure is not new, and dates back to the Iran-Iraq war during the 1980s when an Afghan Shia force, the Abouzar Brigade, was formed to help fight Iraq. When this debacle is over and the major countries go home, Iran will remain as the major force in the area. Time for Canada to start economic talks with Iran and look towards other associations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Ahh you gotta love these republicans: A must watch http://www.nbc.com/late-night-with-seth-meyers/video/iran-hostage-deal-a-closer-look/2970449?onid=146956 No wonder there has been so many different versions of the news on prisoner swaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Iran in the eyes of many is viewed through a tinted spectacle and judged by that standard unfortunately. That tinted spectacle is the analogy for narrow mindedness... It's unlikely one can change such mindset and an attempt to do that is futile unless one is unbiased and open to ideas. So all those people complaining about the massive human rights violations, the executions, the tortures, the sponsoring of terrorism, the destabilizing of other countries, they're what, just anti-Persian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Time for Canada to start economic talks with Iran and look towards other associations. So Canada should support international terrorism and the execution of children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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