Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 So far we haven't heard a single thing that he could charged with. He can be accused (rightfully so) of being a jerk, misogynist, freak or whatever. But really, as far as what we've heard, nothing illegal. This is, as WCR pointed out a number of times, a jilted girlfriend getting even and a slew of other women admitting that Ghomeshi was rather rough. CBC says they have evidence of something, what that would be is unknown at this time. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jacee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) So far we haven't heard a single thing that he could charged with. He can be accused (rightfully so) of being a jerk, misogynist, freak or whatever. But really, as far as what we've heard, nothing illegal. This is, as WCR pointed out a number of times, a jilted girlfriend getting even and a slew of other women admitting that Ghomeshi was rather rough. CBC says they have evidence of something, what that would be is unknown at this time. Toronto police investigating 3 assault complaints against Jian Ghomeshi Edited November 2, 2014 by jacee Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 So far we haven't heard a single thing that he could charged with. He can be accused (rightfully so) of being a jerk, misogynist, freak or whatever. But really, as far as what we've heard, nothing illegal. What have you heard ? I heard allegations that he punched people in the face. This is, as WCR pointed out a number of times, a jilted girlfriend getting even and a slew of other women admitting that Ghomeshi was rather rough. CBC says they have evidence of something, what that would be is unknown at this time. Three women are going to the Toronto Police with their stories... if there are reasonable grounds, then they can lay charges. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
TimG Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 What have you heard ? I heard allegations that he punched people in the face.Even if convicted he is likely looking at little or no jail time: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Cases/Common_Assault Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 Even if convicted he is likely looking at little or no jail time: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Cases/Common_Assault Pertinent and interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a push to make an example of him, though. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 What have you heard ? I heard allegations that he punched people in the face. Three women are going to the Toronto Police with their stories... if there are reasonable grounds, then they can lay charges. Right, I'm just pointing out that nothing we've heard yet is grounds for charges, let alone conviction. If I was getting it on with a woman and she slapped me and pulled out a dildo, what could I really say if I took off my clothes and bent over. Sure, as Lucy DeCoutere said, I could say I was surprised or gobsmacked, but If I don't say no, what can I really do. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 Right, I'm just pointing out that nothing we've heard yet is grounds for charges, let alone conviction. Ok, you're saying we haven't heard that there is evidence, other than testimony from the victim. If I was getting it on with a woman ... I have no idea what your fantasy would have to do with the case, nor do I want to know. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Even if convicted he is likely looking at little or no jail time: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Cases/Common_Assault He'll get a criminal record. Whatever time he does will be in segregation (solitary; protective custody) because they'd make mincemeat of him in general pop. The women will get justice. . Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Ok, you're saying we haven't heard that there is evidence, other than testimony from the victim. I have no idea what your fantasy would have to do with the case, nor do I want to know. Would you convict a guy based on anything you've heard? If so, on what charge? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 Would you convict a guy based on anything you've heard? If so, on what charge? I didn't say that I would - why do you think that ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 I didn't say that I would - why do you think that ? What I'm saying is that we really haven't heard anything conviction worthy, creepy and weird...sure, but that's about it. If a woman say's she told him "No" and he forced himself on her anyway, then there is something. When a woman says she though it was weird but proceeded to willingly fuck him anyway...or carry on a relationship with him, then there really is no case. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Posted November 3, 2014 What I'm saying is that we really haven't heard anything conviction worthy, creepy and weird...sure, but that's about it. Yes, we heard from several sources that he punched women in the face. We have nothing more than that claim as far as we know, but we did hear that. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Well, it does sound as if Reva Seth wasn't thrilled with him...and did leave before intercourse. But she also states that he did not rape her. I'm not defending the guy, i'm simply looking at things as a prosecutor or juror might. Edited November 3, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Posted November 3, 2014 ... i'm simply looking at things as a prosecutor or juror might. Saying there's nothing "conviction worthy" sounds like you're taking the point of view of a Crown, not a jury member. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 So, I ask you again, if you were on a jury, could you convict a person based on Lucy DeCoutere or Reva Seth's stories? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Posted November 3, 2014 I haven't read the stories in detail. I would probably want more evidence than one person's word over another in any case, generally speaking. But if Ghomeshi admitted punching them, calling it "rough sex" then I think I would convict, based on what I've read. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WestCoastRunner Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 So, I ask you again, if you were on a jury, could you convict a person based on Lucy DeCoutere or Reva Seth's stories? The thing is, we are not on the jury. There is no jury! We have not heard all the evidence. You seem to be so defiant of the women's testimony. Why is that? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) The thing is, we are not on the jury. There is no jury! We have not heard all the evidence. You seem to be so defiant of the women's testimony. Why is that? It concerns me that there is not enough evidence (so far) to actually damage the guy...beyond his reputation. I'm not happy about this, I'm concerned. Edited November 3, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Posted November 3, 2014 It concerns me that there is not enough evidence (so far) to actually damage the guy...beyond his reputation. I'm not happy about this, I'm concerned. As TimG pointed out, even if there was evidence, he could likely only get a few months in jail. His career is ruined, and he seems to think he's been damaged to the tune of $50M, so that's something. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 Sure, his career will be damaged, but look at Jacee and her expectations. Unless one of these women have real evidence, it'll be a slap on the wrist. His career is damaged, but not necessarily ruined. I thought that about Pat O'Brien, Marv Albert and Richard Quest too. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 Even if convicted he is likely looking at little or no jail time: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Cases/Common_Assault Are you a criminal lawyer? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 He's certainly done at CBC. And when the criminal investigations get under way he'll be too hot a potato for most other networks. Fox maybe? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 So far we haven't heard a single thing that he could charged with. He can be accused (rightfully so) of being a jerk, misogynist, freak or whatever. But really, as far as what we've heard, nothing illegal. Really? Have you been paying attention? I'm not an expert but based on my reading of what the experts have said, there are two ways Ghomeshi could find himself convicted. 1. Ghomeshi has admitted to "rough sex" and claimed that it was consensual. However, there are a bunch of women who say it wasn't and it seems like at least several of them are prepared to say that to police. That is illegal. 2. In the unlikely event that Ghomeshi manages to convince judge and jury that the acts were consensual, there is another problem. In Canada, you can't legally consent to anything that causes physical harm. Getting struck in the head with a closed fist strikes me as something that is liable to cause physical harm. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 As TimG pointed out, even if there was evidence, he could likely only get a few months in jail. His career is ruined, and he seems to think he's been damaged to the tune of $50M, so that's something. Unless TimG is a lawyer, I would take what he is saying with a huge grain of salt. His link dealt with common assault, not sexual assault. Also, it will depend on the number of counts to which the convictions apply. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hal 9000 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Really? Have you been paying attention? I'm not an expert but based on my reading of what the experts have said, there are two ways Ghomeshi could find himself convicted. 1. Ghomeshi has admitted to "rough sex" and claimed that it was consensual. However, there are a bunch of women who say it wasn't and it seems like at least several of them are prepared to say that to police. That is illegal. 2. In the unlikely event that Ghomeshi manages to convince judge and jury that the acts were consensual, there is another problem. In Canada, you can't legally consent to anything that causes physical harm. Getting struck in the head with a closed fist strikes me as something that is liable to cause physical harm. So, let's look at what we've got so far; He said, she said on a light slap or close fist side of the head, parties had sex afterwards, no physical damage afterwards, no forced intercourse, no police complaint, and in at least one case the relationship continued. The only thing provable is that he roughed up a woman (but no facial marks) - consent is also questionable. I'd say this looks like a run-of-the-mill assault at worst with suspended sentence...again at worst. Edited November 3, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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