Shots Fired On Parliament Hill

[-1=e^ipi]

Can't say such an attack is unexpected. If anything, it is surprising it didn't happen earlier. There are many ISIS sympathizers in Canada who perceive the government to be the enemy, so I doubt this will be the last attack.

Though it was a bit inconvenient for me that the University of Ottawa was shut down. I'm not sure if it is justified. While university mass shootings in Western Countries do occur, it is usually the result of a psychologically unstable lone wolf and not due to Islamist terrorists. Islamist terrorists prefer to attack symbols of the government / authority / power such as members of the military, embassies, important buildings like the world trade centre. The University of Ottawa on the other hand has been somewhat sympathetic to Islamists and to pro-Hamas groups, and has been known to have a culture of silencing those who may be critical of Islam or progressive views such as Ann Coulter. So it shouldn't be a target.

Congratulations for being the first idiot to score cheap political points off this.

Then can I be the second?

Islamic supremacism is a global threat and groups like ISIS want to take over the world. The actions of these individuals are very much motivated by religion and cultural relativism & religious apologism do not help. A cultural of cultural relativism, religious apologism & progressivism in Canada combined with a lax immigration policy have produced a Canada that is fertile ground for domestic islamist terror attacks to occur.

On the flip side, let's continue to load up on Philippinos, who seem to contribute nothing but positives.

True, the Philippines is a good source of immigrants and the country may be an important ally decades in the future when the power of the West and most of our allies such as Japan and South Korea have significantly waned.

This isn't completely related, but I thought I would mention that this municipal election, a Candidate for the Ottawa City Council wants to implement Sharia Law.

[cybercoma]

Why ? they were doing a ceremonial gaurd, the wpns are for show. We don't have the powers like police officers to use fire arms again'st any Canadian citizens. unless passed by government. And i hope it does not come to that.

A lot of people don't realize this. Military has absolutely no authority over citizens. That's why they couldn't help out in Moncton against Bourque.

[guyser]

All military personelle who are on guard duty should be fully armed.

Why, someone worried the Cenotaph will be stolen?

[The_Squid]

Not a chance. Although security is far tighter than it was when I was younger and you could drive right into Parliament Hill. I remember going to watch the debates all the time, and the only time I had any problem with security or even had to talk to them was when one spotted my hunting knife on my belt while I was waiting to get into the House of Commons balcony. He didn't make any big deal about it, but I had to go back to the desk and check the knife until I was leaving.

I suspect I'd be in a lot more trouble these days...

There are metal detectors when you first walk in to the building.

[Scared.In.Canada]

Why, someone worried the Cenotaph will be stolen?

I have family who are currently in the military. I don`t see the murder of a soldier doing a duty to be a joking matter.

It`s a massive honour to be chosen to guard that in Ottawa...

[guyser]

This isn't completely related,

Its completely UN-related .

Like Oranges are to lug nuts

[guyser]

I have family who are currently in the military. I don`t see the murder of a soldier doing a duty to be a joking matter.

Then stop making us laugh with your inane silliness.

[Derek 2.0]

A lot of people don't realize this. Military has absolutely no authority over citizens. That's why they couldn't help out in Moncton against Bourque.

Mostly, but Military Police can detain citizens off-base, with the expectation they will be turned over to local police..........Of course, the military can legally be used to support civilian LEO via the Emergencies Act.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Derek 2.0

[guyser]

Mostly, but Military Police can detain citizens off-base,

The same as any citizen .

[The_Squid]

I wouldn't mind at all if military personnel had their weapons on them... at least a sidearm. In other countries, if you see military personnel on guard duty, they are generally armed.

They are a target walking around in uniform... especially given that we are supposed to be at war. Regardless of how pidly that war is (6 jets), there should still be security measures taken.

Especially in light of the fact that the gov't claimed there were up to 80 Jihadists in Canada looking to cause trouble. Why would soldiers be walking around in uniform unarmed if there is actually a threat??

It shows a lax attitude about security by this government.

Edited October 22, 2014 by The_Squid

[Argus]

Leafs game has been postponed.

The Leafs were staying at the Rideau-Carlton.

There was absolutely no reason for them to do that. Both their hotel and the arena are on the far west of town.

[Derek 2.0]

The same as any citizen .

But unlike "any citizen", military police are afforded the same powers as civilian peace officers.

[Derek 2.0]

I wouldn't mind at all if military personnel had their weapons on them... at least a sidearm. In other countries, if you see military personnel on guard duty, they are generally armed.

They are a target walking around in uniform... especially given that we are supposed to be at war. Regardless of how pidly that war is (6 jets), there should still be security measures taken.

Outside of base security/force protection, Canadian Forces members, at home, are highly regulated in the issuance of weapons, on and off base.

[Big Guy]

I wouldn't mind at all if military personnel had their weapons on them... at least a sidearm. In other countries, if you see military personnel on guard duty, they are generally armed.

They are a target walking around in uniform... especially given that we are supposed to be at war. Regardless of how pidly that war is (6 jets), there should still be security measures taken.

Especially in light of the fact that the gov't claimed there were up to 80 Jihadists in Canada looking to cause trouble. Why would soldiers be walking around in uniform unarmed if there is actually a threat??

It shows a lax attitude about security by this government.

If the soldier has to be armed then he should not be alone and the location is one which requires guarding. A single soldier marching alone with a loaded rifle is an easy target for a couple of nut cases who are looking for a rifle. Arming a soldier performing a ceremonial duty is not a good idea.

[Derek 2.0]

If the soldier has to be armed then he should not be alone and the location is one which requires guarding. A single soldier marching alone with a loaded rifle is an easy target for a couple of nut cases who are looking for a rifle. Arming a soldier performing a ceremonial duty is not a good idea.

There were two members present.......

[Argus]

I wouldn't mind at all if military personnel had their weapons on them... at least a sidearm. In other countries, if you see military personnel on guard duty, they are generally armed.

No way. There are thousands and thousands of military personnel in Ottawa, most of them clerk types who would be more likely to shoot themselves if they had to carry guns around.

I used to work at a downtown officers mess right across the street from a government building. Every noon you'd see a huge stream of pudgy uniformed men and women crossing back and forth. I doubt many of them had any recent familiarity with firearms unless they happened to be hunters.

[Argus]

Watching a federal government press conference is an exercise in tedium since everyone has to make their non-informative statements in both official languages...

[Derek 2.0]

No way. There are thousands and thousands of military personnel in Ottawa, most of them clerk types who would be more likely to shoot themselves if they had to carry guns around.

That is very true, outside of Combat Arms, Force Protection and Military Police, after basic, the majority of members receive very little firearms training and continued instruction.

[Army Guy]

A lot of people don't realize this. Military has absolutely no authority over citizens. That's why they couldn't help out in Moncton against Bourque.

Yes and No, if it is approved by government the military force can be used again'st it citizens, for example OKA, FLQ crisies, along with some prison riots....But there is a seris of checks and balences that need to be present before that happens, OKA well the QPP proved that situation was beyond their resources....

AMMO was issued, but the ROE were so restrictive, you had to be fired upon first, and then you could only fire back at the person who fired at you, only the guy being shot at could respond. So if your fire team partner came under fire you could not engage to save his life, only he could and then only if he knew who took a shot at him....try doing that with a belt feed wpns in a crowd....It was a nightmare, today we have recieved alot more training and experience to deal with these types of situations , but they are best left to the experts RCMP, or local police....

As for moncton, well the citizens were spook already, with all the cops running around dressed up like army guys, last thing they needed was really army guys who love to use combined arms tactics, IFV, Tanks, Arty, air support....try to explain that on the 6 oclock news that we destroyed 6 blocks of moncton......we got our guy, but that mall , well you need to adjust your maps.....it's not there.....that and the fact there was no need, RCMP guys did a great job, and monctons maps are still all the same....

[eyeball]

Now this I agree with.

I can't think of anything we need more than a demonstration that there's really nothing to fear here but fear itself.

I think calling Parliamentarians back to work would help do that. Putting another soldier back on guard at the Cenotaph might help quell the fear with a sense of poignancy.

They got the guy...we can stop letting the guy get us.

[The_Squid]

Was it confirmed that it was one guy?

[Derek 2.0]

Was it confirmed that it was one guy?

It sounds like they don't know........but appears the reports of other shootings around Ottawa have been retracted.

[The_Squid]

so cenotaph shooting and parliament gunman was same guy? What about the 3rd shooting site? Not true?

[Black Dog]

so cenotaph shooting and parliament gunman was same guy? What about the 3rd shooting site? Not true?

Also retracted. Sure sounds like a lone gunman situation.

[Derek 2.0]

so cenotaph shooting and parliament gunman was same guy? What about the 3rd shooting site? Not true?

Sounds that way.