GostHacked Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-harper-government-wants-to-make-terror-arrests-easier-1.2811571 Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney is giving more indications of how the government intends to strengthen Canada's security laws in the wake of Wednesday's attack in Ottawa on Parliament Hill. The minister told Radio-Canada on Friday that the government is eyeing the thresholds established in Canadian law for the preventive arrests of people thought to be contemplating attacks that may be linked to terrorism. Officials are considering how to make it easier to press charges against so-called lone-wolf attackers. "The challenges are the thresholds — the thresholds that will allow either preventive arrest, or charges that lead to sentences, or more simple operations," Blaney said in French. "So what the prime minister has asked is for us to review in accelerated manner the different mechanisms that are offered to police to ensure everyone's security." In Brampton, Ont., on Friday, Justice Minister Peter MacKay said the government would go beyond an originally planned bill that would have strengthened the powers of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), and is looking in particular at trying to pre-empt such terrorist activity, Reuters reported. A senior government source told CBC News the government is considering a single bill that would introduce changes to the legislation governing both security officials and police. On Thursday morning, Prime Minister Stephen Harper reminded the House of Commons that his government had already announced changes to the law governing CSIS, Canada's spy agency, changes that would include anonymity for sources and increased information sharing with other countries. He also said he believes police powers need to be increased. "In recent weeks, I've been saying that our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention and arrest," he said as MPs returned one day after a gunman killed a soldier and made his way into Centre Block on the Parliament Hill. "They need to be much strengthened, and I assure you, Mr. Speaker, that work which is already underway will be expedited." This is the thing people need to be paying attention to now. How our laws are going to change because of this terrorist attack. Don't let them distract you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Consider the source - the media will always try to take comments and try to sensationalize them. After going through the trauma of the past week - of course people and politicians will throw ideas on the table to consider - everything can be considered - but what ends up in legislation is usually a completely different animal - and is often watered down even more in committee. Point is, it's interesting that the reaction from the "big government is bad" Conservatives is to look at passing laws restricting speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Shots such as these come from firearms...not pineapples. The firearm used in this attack is an important piece of evidence, and some members were quick to recognize what it was...others choose to ignore this reality in favor of ideology. no - please ply your gun porn ideology in an appropriate gun focused thread... we've had no end of threads completely derailed over guns, over you and your ilk™ posting gun images, image after image after image... taking threads down rat-hole discussions that simply recycle debates over gun regulation, gun control, gun registries, gun stats, gun deaths, gun deaths per country comparisons, etc., etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 you say it brother!... says this boards most vocal/prominent proponent of dismantling/destroying the gun registry! Firearms produced pre-1968 had no legal requirement to have a serial number and outside military firearms, most produced in North America do not......Said gun used has a root design from the 1890s, with the majority of Winchester's production predating 1964.........Of course, we also don't know if the firearm was ever registered if it did have a serial number.........So, the long gun registry would have helped how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) This attack was less about Jihadist terrorism and more about mental health and addiction issues. So.... will Harper put as much effort into mental health and make some speeches about how mental health will be the gov't's top priority? That would save more Canadian lives than dropping a few bombs in Syria. Edited October 24, 2014 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 no - please ply your gun porn ideology in an appropriate gun focused thread... we've had no end of threads completely derailed over guns, over you and your ilk™ posting gun images, image after image after image... taking threads down rat-hole discussions that simply recycle debates over gun regulation, gun control, gun registries, gun stats, gun deaths, gun deaths per country comparisons, etc., etc., etc.. I trust from this mornings posts you'll use the same vigor against those discussing increased security and surveillance laws, fore we've clearly have had threads previous on such topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Of course, we also don't know if the firearm was ever registered if it did have a serial number.........So, the long gun registry would have helped how? I will not be pulled into your gun fantasy world; however, do you see any contradiction between your last 2 sentences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 These guys never miss a chance to let their authoritarian freak flags fly: Conservatives mulling legislation making it illegal to condone terrorist acts online Henceforth, said forum report feature will be linked to a bunker at CFS Leitrim......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I will not be pulled into your gun fantasy world; however, do you see any contradiction between your last 2 sentences? Again with cutting context......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Henceforth, said forum report feature will be linked to a bunker at CFS Leitrim......... no kidding! Will labeling something as "blowback" be construed as t_r_o_i_t symphathizing! (also not sure if we can even write the 't' word anymore)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Again with cutting context......... fair-reading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 If we were bombing Christians somewhere, do you think Christians in Canada would be killing soldiers? Yes I imagine if we started bombing the Vatican we would have all kinds of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 This attack was less about Jihadist terrorism and more about mental health and addiction issues. So.... will Harper put as much effort into mental health and make some speeches about how mental health will be the gov't's top priority? That would save more Canadian lives than dropping a few bombs in Syria. don't you know that 'root cause' analysis stuff just gets in the way of real and meaningful action against "the beheaders"! The 'Parliament shooter' has a long history of substance abuse, homelessness, petty crime, joblessness... and in the most recent last few months took to sleeping in a mosque basement for shelter. A guy with no prospects... looking for... what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yes I imagine if we started bombing the Vatican we would have all kinds of problems. I certainly would write a strongly worded letter to the editor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 no kidding! Will labeling something as "blowback" be construed as t_r_o_i_t symphathizing! (also not sure if we can even write the 't' word anymore)... Who knows........but those with more odious online perspectives on such maters might best rethink their unguarded pontificating with such matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 don't you know that 'root cause' analysis stuff just gets in the way of real and meaningful action against "the beheaders"! The 'Parliament shooter' has a long history of substance abuse, homelessness, petty crime, joblessness... and in the most recent last few months took to sleeping in a mosque basement for shelter. A guy with no prospects... looking for... what? His gun, maybe? Man, I hope all the other folk with no prospects don't decide to go off shooting people, or we're screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Sources suggest the government is likely to bring in new hate speech legislation that would make it illegal to claim terrorist acts are justified online. Looks like the government is getting ready to follow up recent attacks on Canadians... with more attacks on Canadians. Like I said before... this is the REAL danger posed by terrorism... Our own governments response to it. These attacks give the government yet another window to try to ram through surveillance state legislation. The first one was the ISA.. they called Canadians pedophile supporters when they rejected that. Then they tried to ram the same thing through under the guize of fighting cyberbulling. Now they will dust off the same peice of legislation again, as a counter terrorism act, and call the public terrorist supporters if they are smart enough to oppose it. All over 2 deaths. It really boggles the mind. Edited October 24, 2014 by dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Man, I hope all the other folk with no prospects don't decide to go off shooting people, or we're screwed. Indeed, and from a criminality perspective, said folks continue with minor shoplifting, petty theft and pooping in alleys etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Looks like the government is getting ready to follow up recent attacks on Canadians... with more attacks on Canadians. Like I said before... this is the REAL danger posed by terrorism... Our own governments response to it. I think any limitations on freedom of speech are ill advised. I hope the government does not go ahead with this idea. However, as to the REAL danger issue, I'm sure most if not all victims of terrorism would be more than happy to be brought back to life and have their speech restricted, if they were given the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 don't you know that 'root cause' analysis stuff just gets in the way of real and meaningful action against "the beheaders"! The 'Parliament shooter' has a long history of substance abuse, homelessness, petty crime, joblessness... and in the most recent last few months took to sleeping in a mosque basement for shelter. A guy with no prospects... looking for... what? Seems to be an oddly high number of mentally ill Muslims for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Firearms produced pre-1968 had no legal requirement to have a serial number and outside military firearms, most produced in North America do not......Said gun used has a root design from the 1890s, with the majority of Winchester's production predating 1964.........Of course, we also don't know if the firearm was ever registered if it did have a serial number.........So, the long gun registry would have helped how? I will not be pulled into your gun fantasy world; however, do you see any contradiction between your last 2 sentences?He doesn't use the term "circle-jerk" but the message is still the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 This attack was less about Jihadist terrorism and more about mental health and addiction issues. So.... will Harper put as much effort into mental health and make some speeches about how mental health will be the gov't's top priority? That would save more Canadian lives than dropping a few bombs in Syria. What ?.....and waste a prime opportunity to show how tough He can make laws , all the while trying to restrict freedoms for the sake of....er...freedom? Those funny Conservatives, LOL !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Many human errors in my view cause this and the guy that ran down the soon to be retired military guy, he was on the watch list and he should have and could have been arrested but they didn't. So Canadians better prepare for more of these because the RCMP naturally can't stop the timing of them but they could and should stop them the 93 who may be planning their own attacks. The law is there to use, I don't understand by they don't use it and the Libs keep telling them were it is in the criminal law code. BTW, in Toronto, relatives in the military, apparently, destroyed campaign signs of Muslims running in a by-election and threw garage at one. This isn't right either and the Tories are going to have big problems on their hands if Canadians start turning against ALL Muslims in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Many human errors in my view cause this and the guy that ran down the soon to be retired military guy, he was on the watch list and he should have and could have been arrested but they didn't. So Canadians better prepare for more of these because the RCMP naturally can't stop the timing of them but they could and should stop them the 93 who may be planning their own attacks. The law is there to use, I don't understand by they don't use it and the Libs keep telling them were it is in the criminal law code. BTW, in Toronto, relatives in the military, apparently, destroyed campaign signs of Muslims running in a by-election and threw garage at one. This isn't right either and the Tories are going to have big problems on their hands if Canadians start turning against ALL Muslims in the country. You can't just arrest people for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 You can't just arrest people for no reason. No, but you can get them help when they plead for it. Crazy people who are addicted to crack who ask for help should be able to get some help in this country before they do something really crazy (e.g. kill people). There was plenty of opportunity for the authorities to get this person help. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/24/michael-zehaf-bibeau-a-crack-addict-who-tried-to-rob-mcdonalds-so-he-could-go-clean-in-jail-records-show/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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