Bonam Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Which is one of many reasons it was dumb to import a million Muslims into Canada to begin with. To do that you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they commited some kind of crime... What? No. You don't have to prove anything, you just select a different application from the giant stack of immigration applications. Quote
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 In Canada, he would be back on the street. Ahh the depth of ignorance prevails. He'd be on the streets of Algeria. Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 We took one off your hands after he attempted to blow up LAX...he rots in a U.S. federal prison. In Canada, he would be back on the street. but, but... what about all those 'Gitmo detainees' Merika let go... back into the streets 'to fight again'! There's a list... there's a freaking list of all those guys... upwards of 75 names! The U.S. had them tucked nicely away in Gitmo... and the U.S. let them go, as you say, "back on the street"! Oh my. Quote
dre Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 What? No. You don't have to prove anything, you just select a different application from the giant stack of immigration applications. Sorry, i meant to reply to this... Let them in and then send them straight to jail. That requires some evidence that they committed some sort of crime. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Nope....he would be an MP by now.....somewhere in Ontariario. The power of rehabilitation dont'cha know. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry, i meant to reply to this... That requires some evidence that they committed some sort of crime. Well, yes, obviously. Sounds to me like traveling to partake in armed conflict as a member of a designated terrorist group should count as a crime. If it's not currently, then they should add it to the list. And as for gathering evidence... isn't that what the whole surveillance state apparatus where every email, phone call, social media message, etc, is monitored is for? Quote
dre Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Well, yes, obviously. Sounds to me like traveling to partake in armed conflict as a member of a designated terrorist group should count as a crime. If it's not currently, then they should add it to the list. And as for gathering evidence... isn't that what the whole surveillance state apparatus where every email, phone call, social media message, etc, is monitored is for? I put zero stock in our governments designation of terrorist groups and I dont believe the Canadian criminal code should be enforced outside our borders anyways. The government of the country they are alledged to have committed crimes in can charge them, and we can extradite them. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) We need to identify these mosques that support and or foster extremism, and treat them as criminal organizations like is sometimes done for the mafia or biker gangs -- just being known to associate with them is a crime all by itself, so they are subject to arrest at any time for no probable cause for any other criminal act. I feel the same way about the powerful influential interests that foster our government's propensity for supporting dictators and warlords. Edited October 23, 2014 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Keepitsimple Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Its not a coincidence I dont think that these attacks started happening within weeks of us flying over a foreign country bombing muslims. The more we involve ourselves in the middle east the more likely we are to be targetted. And its not my theory... western intelligence agencies have been warning us about this for decades. And this is even more dangerous because we will be seen by many as fighting on behalf of the Assad regime in Syria, and the Iranian Proxy that government Iraq. This is going to make a lot of people very angry including quite a few of Canadas million muslims. Its extremely stupid what we are allowing our government to do. .....and Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy, France.....and others. According to you, they're all stupid as well. Quote Back to Basics
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Indeed...only Canada has this terrorist thing all figured out. The secret is...blankets - J. Trudeau Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 .....and Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy, France.....and others. According to you, they're all stupid as well. Yes if those countries are dropping bombs on the middle east to stop sunnis from overthrowing Assad then they are putting their citizens at risk. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 So you're saying that if we had just stayed out of everything.....our radicalized Canadians would go overseas to fight - then come back and not be a threat here - because we are nice guys? Is that your theory? You're leapfrogging the likelihood that most if not all would never become radicalized in the first place. You're assuming the reason for their radicalization is Islam and ignoring the far likelier reason for homegrown radicalization which is the moral dissonance of seeing an apparently moral country like Canada supporting and joining the same network(s) of dictatorship that has radicalized people living in dictatorships. We're becoming no better than the bad guys in spite of claiming to be amongst the best. That is having an effect. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Keepitsimple Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Yes if those countries are dropping bombs on the middle east to stop sunnis from overthrowing Assad then they are putting their citizens at risk. But they are not - and neither is Canada. Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 .....and Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy, France.....and others. According to you, they're all stupid as well. ...as a sack of hammers. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
dre Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 But they are not - and neither is Canada. Thats exactly the net result of what we are trying to do. I guarantee you Assad is grinning like a little schoolgirl over all this. So it Khomeini. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Keepitsimple Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 You're leapfrogging the likelihood that most if not all would never become radicalized in the first place. You're assuming the reason for their radicalization is Islam and ignoring the far likelier reason for homegrown radicalization which is the moral dissonance of seeing an apparently moral country like Canada supporting and joining the same network(s) of dictatorship that has radicalized people living in dictatorships. We're becoming no better than the bad guys in spite of claiming to be amongst the best. That is having an effect. I see....just let ISIS rampage across the Middle East, consolidating as they go - with little or no opposition....chopping heads off, killing thousands who do not capitulate completely to their twisted ideology. We can argue till the cows come home about how we got where we are today - but the reality is that we're here......and it doesn't at all matter whether we drop bombs or not - these nutbars hate the West - they hate anything that is different from them. They are coming after us - sooner or later. The Lone Wolf radicalization is just another disgusting tool in the terrorist toolbox. There's no place for Neville Chamberlain with these guys. Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 There's no place for Neville Chamberlain with these guys. There seems to be an awful lot of latitude for the sorts of people who've supported dictators and warlords that are every bit as bad or worse than ISIS. Even our allies torture, murder and behead their enemies. There is a wide open high road where we could still take action on the ME, starting with treating networks of dictatorship no differently than we would a network of terror, for much if not more the same reason. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Holy shit It's not working, it says it's a private video. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Nope....he would be an MP by now.....somewhere in Ontariario. The power of rehabilitation dont'cha know. More ignorance...yaaa.... Quote
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Got that Orange Lodge membership up to date? I seem to remember you making this exactly same argument back in the 1800s about the Catholics. No, I think you misremember. I've never made any such statement about the Catholics. I AM a Catholic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 No, I think you misremember. I've never made any such statement about the Catholics. I AM a Catholic. You also weren't around in the 1800s. Then again. I can't be sure. Are you a vampire? Quote
Army Guy Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 In October of 1970, Canadians (FLQ) were planting bombs in mail boxes, had kidnapped and killed a member of the cabinet and were threatening more harm. I remember how I felt when I got on to the subway trains in Toronto after there were warnings that Toronto subways would be targeted. Terrorism is nothing new for Canada. There will always be young Canadians who for their particular passionate cause, are ready to kill and die for that cause. These last two events were suicide trips. I do not believe that either one of these individuals had an escape strategy. It unfortunate that neither or both survived. I think we might learn from what reasons they were prepared to die and how their causes became that important to them. The will be all kinds of speculation as to their causes depending on the agenda of the speculators. Too bad. At least in the FLQ we knew the cause and the PM at the time thought it warranted passing the "War Measures Act". Many people thought that it was a gross overreaction. I hope we do not overreact on this one. FLQ event should be in the books as HOW not to handle those events, as well as the minister being killed , a soldier was killed trying to defuse a bomb...and after all that "bringing in the Army" what is the end result of that fiasco, we loaded them terrorists up on a CF boeing 707 and gave them a free trip to cuba, then after some time we let them back into the country, to live out their lives......Now that spells out how to handle terrorist.... Terrorism is not new to Canada, it is rare but nothing new, ours is the toronto 18, the shoe bomber.....and the Khadrs....terrorism is not a day to day thing in Canada. In fact we are just learning to live with it now.... I do think our laws need to be tighten up, tougher sentences for terrorists. right now they walk amoung us, giving us the finger, as they know our laws protect them, and their is nothing we can do about it. I don't know how to do that , and i don't have a solution, but i'm getting tired of these guys taking advantage. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Not everyone has the same opinion you do of the people we are attacking. Yes, I'm aware of that. Some people, almost all Muslims, seem to feel ISIS isn't doing anything all that bad. A lot of Muslims in the middle east actually support ISIL. In fact, if there were an open election in Saudi Arabia, the government which would take over would probably resemble ISIS. A lot of muslims see us as trying to stop an attempt by Sunnis to not be ruled by Assad or Iran. Religious extremists and the ignorant. Really, what kind of a rule by Iran or the Suunis would be anywhere near as harsh as by these people? The reality is if we are going to have an interventionalist foreign policy then we are going to have these kinds of problems here at home more and more. Because ignorant and fanatical Suuni Muslims consider that anything these people do is okay because they're Suuni Muslims and acting 'for God', and thus are willing to excuse any amount of brutality and violence. Yes, I get that. But that doesn't in any way defend such thinking, either on the part of middle east Muslims, or those in Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 One thing in common for both these killers was they wanted to leave Canada and were prevented from doing so. Why? I thought that the old East Germany was the only country that would not let you leave. (Maybe Gaza is another). If a person wants to leave then great! Goodbye! Then the minute they leave we flag their passport for if/when they want back in. Then we screen them accordingly. It is not legally possible to keep such people from returning to Canada. So they would return not only radicalized but with military training and experience with guns and explosives. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Its not a coincidence I dont think that these attacks started happening within weeks of us flying over a foreign country bombing muslims. If we were bombing Christians somewhere, do you think Christians in Canada would be killing soldiers? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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