Big Guy Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Because in my younger years I played and coached volleyball I was watching some women's beach volleyball covered on TV. I found the outfits "distracting" and was surprised that women's volleyball would need those kinds of outfits to maintain TV coverage (sic). I was disappointed and no longer interested in that "sport". I also watched a few body building competitions, both men and women, and found the competitors appeared grotesque to me. Lots of people in the audience expressing their OOHS! and AAWHS! at the various poses so there must be a following. Each to his/her own. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Because in my younger years I played and coached volleyball I was watching some women's beach volleyball covered on TV. I found the outfits "distracting" and was surprised that women's volleyball would need those kinds of outfits to maintain TV coverage (sic). I was disappointed and no longer interested in that "sport". I also watched a few body building competitions, both men and women, and found the competitors appeared grotesque to me. Lots of people in the audience expressing their OOHS! and AAWHS! at the various poses so there must be a following. Each to his/her own. At my Gym I see some cartoonish looking humans. I can't see how someone can achieve a body like that with some PED. There's this woman that must have some form of OCD, she's there every day doing this plyometrics with this heavy bag. She must be in her 50's but has an obvious 6-pack. At some point a focus on health actually detracts from enjoyment of life and doesn't ad to it. IMHO of course. Edited September 25, 2014 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 As for Volleyball. The dudes are going shirtless on the beach so it goes both ways. If you subscribe to the Big Ten Channel on cable you get women's court volleyball. They're in uniforms but they still wear short shorts. Quote
overthere Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 as I recall, a few years ago the international organization governing womens beach volleyball forced all competitors in sanctioned events to wear the short shorts. Marketing. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 as I recall, a few years ago the international organization governing womens beach volleyball forced all competitors in sanctioned events to wear the short shorts. Marketing. Much more eye candy watching women's tennis IYAM. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Why is it wrong to appreciate a physically beautiful human being for this physical beauty? Because of all the bullshit that goes along with that. The fact is that "physical beauty" is a socially constructed ideal that changes over places and times. We then take our current ideal as some sort of gospel and particularly when it comes to women make snap judgments about behavioural and personality characteristics based on those socially constructed beauty ideals. That's not to mention that the ideal is an always moving goal that is nearly impossible to achieve and shouldn't be the value of a human being in the first place. So it's not "appreciating what you find beautiful" that's the problem. Appreciate all you want. It's the socially constructed baggage that comes along with it that causes problems. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) is an athlete's skill or a worker's capability analogous to a woman's body image (real or perceived)? When, as you say, "measurable or physical attributes"... do you mean like, a woman's T&A? Certainly, many live vicariously through sports teams/stars; however, is that comparable to societal pressures driving many women (or many young girls, in particular) to attempt to attain an unreachable physical appearance, one simply not conducive to their underlying body makeup? And what feeds that driving societal pressure? ... does a beauty pageant contribute in that regard? An athlete's skill is certainly more quantifiable and absolutely less subjective than the ever-changing beauty ideal. Person A runs faster than Person B. That can be measured. Person A is more beautiful than Person B? That's subjective and irrelevant to a person's capabilities and worth. Edited September 25, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Boges Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 An athlete's skill is certainly more quantifiable and absolutely less subjective than the ever-changing beauty ideal. Person A runs faster than Person B. That can be measured. Person A is more beautiful than Person B? That's subjective and irrelevant to a person's capabilities and worth. There are objective standards that can be applied to "attractiveness". But to each their own so by no mean is it gospel. But no one is forcing anyone to align with some form of beauty. The irony is people that often don't fit the formula are often seen as more attractive. Jennifer Lawrence is a good example of this. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) no one is forcing anyone to align with some form of beauty. No one is forcing you to because male role models can be valued for things other than beauty. although they're sometimes valued by equally demeaning standards to both men and women, i.e., the male "bread winner." Edited September 25, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Boges Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 No one is forcing you to because male role models can be valued for things other than beauty. although they're sometimes valued by equally demeaning standards to both men and women, i.e., the male "bread winner." I'm not talking about ME. I'm talking about anyone. Man or Woman. Woman still seem to enjoy watching shows that glorify completely superficial elements of a person's appearance. This isn't all about horny misogynist men deciding what's beautiful. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 I wonder how many men vs. women watch the pageant...? Anyone have any stats on that? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Beauty pageants are very popular with gay men.....pageants appeal to a wide demographic. Edited September 25, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks for the update BC. Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 This is why we need more women on this forum. You're the only woman who has replied to this thread (as far as I know). Can I ask you something? Did you reply to this thread because it interested you, or did you feel obligated to reply to it? Or did you feel any kind of obligation to comment in it? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
waldo Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Did you reply to this thread because it interested you, or did you feel obligated to reply to it? Or did you feel any kind of obligation to comment in it? Boss, those are deep penetrating questions! Clearly, MLW's board facilitator put forward the thread topic as a soothing pacifier... an appeasement, no less... to that 'rogue woman' running roughshod over this forum! Note: you are not obligated to reply to my post; however, if you have interest, please do so... at your liberty/discretion! . Quote
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Someone fill me in on this boss stuff. I'll be in my cubicle. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Some things are better left unsaid. Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Someone fill me in on this boss stuff. I'll be in my cubicle. I started that as a joke on a Saturday night in the chat room when there was 5 or 6 of us there. CA was there to. I got a real kick out of it and was in tears laughing at how socialist thought I was being serious! And it kind of grew from there. Some posters here get the joke and play along as we see from waldo. But it looks like most posters here have very little appreciation for my humor so I better knock it off. Sorry about the thread drift, back to debating! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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