Hudson Jones Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 But it does matter. The IDF is not Canada's enemy. Deal with it. They violate human rights laws. So it does matter. Canada should be looking into those who engage in violations of human rights while fighting with foreign armies and groups. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 the, uhhh... "Boss"... uses Wiki as a definitive source - oh my! Boss, Boss... Charter section 6, Mobility Rights, extends to a "passport right" as far as giving eligible persons the right to apply for a passport. Just apply, that's it Boss! Just apply. Lets see your link proving otherwise! Until then, I remain the BOSS!! LOL! Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Try reading and understanding this WT. http://passport.gc.ca/protection/revocation.aspx?lang=eng Ya, so what? I already posted the rules/procedure to get a passport. Ohhhh, you thought the government applied the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms? Sorry, but that is for the courts to do, not the government! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Not sure what you are driving at. The court ruled unanimously the DENIAL of passport service on national grounds was in compliance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is not a right. If it's not a right then why didn't the court just say that the charter does not apply? Why did the judges of the SCC unanimously say that national security threats/grounds comply with the charter? Keep in mind, that the SCC FIRST ruled that Khadar COULD NOT be refused a passport unless the passport order rules changed. Getting a passport is clearly a right and not a privelage like a drivers license. There is NO TEST when you get a passport! My son was 6 months old when he got his passport! (taking the picture wasn't easy, believe me!) Just basic rules to comply with so that the abuse of a passports can be prevented. Furthermore, enough is enough! Start posting links to support your argument!!! Until then, I'm STILL the BOSS! HA! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 It doesn't matter. They have committed human rights violations and possible war crimes. Bingo! Double standard of the conservative government! One rule for Islamics, another rule for Israel. Not the first time they did this for political gain. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Wow! You get funnier by the minute/post. But as someone already pointed out, you need to brush up on the reading comprehension. Otherwise you will remain only the boss of you know what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 WT you should perhaps begin with a look at the difference between "a right to obtain" and "a right to APPLY for" Significant legal difference vis a vis that charter you can't quite get your head around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 WT you should perhaps begin with a look at the difference between "a right to obtain" and "a right to APPLY for" Significant legal difference vis a vis that charter you can't quite get your head around. Still waiting for a link buddy! You're going to have to find something to support your argument, it's that simple. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The link is already there. Been there awhile. Comes from the gov of Canada. You need to pay attention. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 If it's not a right then why didn't the court just say that the charter does not apply? Why did the judges of the SCC unanimously say that national security threats/grounds comply with the charter? Keep in mind, that the SCC FIRST ruled that Khadar COULD NOT be refused a passport unless the passport order rules changed. Getting a passport is clearly a right and not a privelage like a drivers license. There is NO TEST when you get a passport! My son was 6 months old when he got his passport! (taking the picture wasn't easy, believe me!) Just basic rules to comply with so that the abuse of a passports can be prevented. Furthermore, enough is enough! Start posting links to support your argument!!! Until then, I'm STILL the BOSS! HA! WWWT If the rules can be changed, it is obviously not a Charter right. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Brush up on your reading comprehension wt and then you can come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Here WT have a snickers you get loopy when your hungry.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 It doesn't matter. They have committed human rights violations and possible war crimes. When?? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 This is the relevant passage from the Canada Passport Order" 10.2 The authority to make a decision to refuse to issue or to revoke a passport under this Order, except for the grounds set out in paragraph 9(g), includes the authority to impose a period of refusal of passport services. para 9 refers to expriation dates and does not affect the power to revoke or refuse to issue a passport to any citizen. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Here WT have a snickers you get loopy when your hungry....Wont help, the issue is much much deeper than that. Unless a Snickers bar grows a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Wont help, the issue is much much deeper than that. Unless a Snickers bar grows a brain. I think this is not a crystal clear area. While a passport is not a Charter right, any law or regulation a government passes must be in compliance with the Charter. The court cases revolved around whether the national security provisions in the Canadian Passport Order were constitutional. Both the Federal Appeals Court and the Supreme Court have said that they are. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think this is not a crystal clear area. While a passport is not a Charter right, any law or regulation a government passes must be in compliance with the Charter. The court cases revolved around whether the national security provisions in the Canadian Passport Order were constitutional. Both the Federal Appeals Court and the Supreme Court have said that they are.Pretty much goes without saying Wilber. Everything the Govt does has to follow the Charter. But reading comprehension is suspect for some, and the attempt of any poster to try and suggest that a Passport is a right is clearly deluded and not dealing with any smarts. Afterall, the links have been posted numerous times and one can only feign ignorance for so long before the audience starts to think just how dumb can one be to keep trying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Pretty much goes without saying Wilber. Everything the Govt does has to follow the Charter. But reading comprehension is suspect for some, and the attempt of any poster to try and suggest that a Passport is a right is clearly deluded and not dealing with any smarts. Afterall, the links have been posted numerous times and one can only feign ignorance for so long before the audience starts to think just how dumb can one be to keep trying? Well, I think it needed to be said. I think WT was assuming that because the SC ruled on the constitutionality of part of the Passport Order, having a passport is a Charter right. One doesn't make the other a fact. The only Charter right is the right to leave and enter Canada. Canadians do not need a passport to do that but it would be very difficult to travel without one. Edited September 24, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 G2 I concur. After while banging your head against the wall gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think this is not a crystal clear area. While a passport is not a Charter right, any law or regulation a government passes must be in compliance with the Charter. The court cases revolved around whether the national security provisions in the Canadian Passport Order were constitutional. Both the Federal Appeals Court and the Supreme Court have said that they are. Are there any government services that are clearly charter rights? Still have not provided a link showing a case where it was shown that a judge has ruled that a passport is a privelage, not a right! If you are pulled over, and you blow over the limit, your driver's license will be taken away automatically before any trial. This was ruled back and forth some years ago but finally held ground because it was eventually settled that a drivers license is a privelage, not a right. You're going to have to do your homework and find a case where a passport was pulled under similar circumstance and a judge(s) made similar rulings. If not, then it stands that a passport is a right under section 6 of the charter. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Pretty much goes without saying Wilber. Everything the Govt does has to follow the Charter. But reading comprehension is suspect for some, and the attempt of any poster to try and suggest that a Passport is a right is clearly deluded and not dealing with any smarts. Afterall, the links have been posted numerous times and one can only feign ignorance for so long before the audience starts to think just how dumb can one be to keep trying? Well, I think it needed to be said. I think WT was assuming that because the SC ruled on the constitutionality of part of the Passport Order, having a passport is a Charter right. One doesn't make the other a fact. The only Charter right is the right to leave and enter Canada. Canadians do not need a passport to do that but it would be very difficult to travel without one. G2 I concur. After while banging your head against the wall gets old. Ok if you're right, then there should be all kinds of links that are out there saying that a passport is a privelage. Still have not seen one link from any of you that clearly says that the passport order is a privelage, not a right. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Ok , everyone answer this question. If these people are travelling on a Canadian passport to shuttle back and forth to fight, should their passports or citizenship (if not born here) be revoked? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Still have not provided a link showing a case where it was shown that a judge has ruled that a passport is a privelage, not a right!Hows about.....you show us where a Judge ruled a Passport is a right? If you are pulled over, and you blow over the limit, your driver's license will be taken away automatically before any trial.Good lord, where did you pull that BS from? Thats is categorically NOT true. This was ruled back and forth some years ago but finally held ground because it was eventually settled that a drivers license is a privelage, not a right.Pull the case docket and we will show you just how wrong you are. If not, then it stands that a passport is a right under section 6 of the charter. WWWTT Show us where it states a Passport is a right. So far you have not done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Ok , everyone answer this question. If these people are travelling on a Canadian passport to shuttle back and forth to fight, should their passports or citizenship (if not born here) be revoked? Who do you mean by "these people"? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Ok , everyone answer this question. If these people are travelling on a Canadian passport to shuttle back and forth to fight, should their passports or citizenship (if not born here) be revoked? Not on first blush . I would expect some sort of review/trial and so forth. Govt restricting movements just because conerns me. Citizenship ...NEVER. (apart from illegalities in getting one as exists now) Edited September 24, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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