Big Guy Posted April 8, 2015 Author Report Posted April 8, 2015 Iran has just sent 2 warships towards Yemen. This could be the first direct confrontation between Iran and Saudi if Saudi forces choose to confront them. Perhaps those American bomber sorties who are providing air support of Iranian ground forces in Iraq can save a few bombs and drop them on Iranian ships near Yemen. This is an unbelievable fiasco of which Canada is a part. Get our forces out of that Middle East Mess. OH NO!!!! Just heard that Canadian airplanes have just dropped bombs in Syria !?!/! God bless America! God save Canada. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Well, I hope they gave good account of themselves. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Just heard that Canadian airplanes have just dropped bombs in Syria !?!/! Yes...Canada is a warmonger nation....committing war crimes....oh the humanity !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Yes...Canada is a warmonger nation....committing war crimes....oh the humanity !! Do you ever stop trolling Quote
jbg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Say JBG and Bush, why is it you 2 Yanks seem more aware of Canadian history than a Canadian. Stop that. I doubt that. I will tell you I ran into two Peterborough school teachers who didn't know who Montcalm and Wolfe were. I think you 2 imperialists are well aware Canada had no real foreign policy until Lester B. Pearson We were a Dominion for the longest time delegating out our highest court in the land and foreign policy to Britain. Canada actually embraced being a Dominion. It was only during WW1 when or Canadian Generals openly questioned how Britain was misusing our troops we decided to question our need to be independent and we were pretty much just following Britain until Lester B.Pearson not by coincidence a former diplomat and foreign Minister carved out a peace keeping role in the ME which made us for the first time distinct from the UK. We are interesting. We still welcome and want to emulate British military ties but our actual operations, uniforms, and techniques are more American than they are British. even the way we salute has become the Yank way with that side salute. Bah we need to get back to the rigid open palm. Good enough for Benny Hill, good enough for me. I thought Canada gained foreign policy powers in 1944. Am I wrong? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 No on is really sure what motivated George Bush Jr. to go into Iraq on Guard. Here's a hint: http://zfacts.com/zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/98-Rumsfeld-Iraq.pdf Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 The U.S. and Canada's borders are as artificial as they come, yet we don't have the same levels of chaos and human misery. Because the ones who made the borders are living within them. Big difference. Except for the French and aboriginals....but they've never caused any problems within Canada since then...right? By "artificial borders" he means "completely arbitrary BS created by foreign countries with no input from or regard for the population living within". What do you think would happen if you erased all the borders in Europe and re-drew them randomly? Absolute mayhem. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 I thought Canada gained foreign policy powers in 1944. Am I wrong? Stature of Westminster, 1931. Canada declared war on Germany in 1939 separate from Britain, unlike WWI. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
GostHacked Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 Do you ever stop trolling It's not trolling according to the moderation. He might be abrasive, but not trollish. Good thing we got those F-35s. Wait... Quote
Rue Posted April 9, 2015 Report Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Je Suis Omar it appears; 1-equate George Bush Jr. to being a Nazi, and equate his decision to invade Iraq as the same as the decision Hitler went to war; 2-suggest because I don't blame just one side of a conflict for that conflict, that makes me one sided in favour of one side; 3-claim that because of meddling in the United States by Saudi Arabian nationals the US decided to destroy Afghanistan and Iraq; 4-both you and Ghost have represented me as blaming tcolonial powers for meddling and causing all the problems in the ME. Your positions are clearly subjective and for me they make no sense. As for the fact that the borders of Canada and the US were negotiated between the US government and English governments at that time, that is a historic and legal fact and it does not suggest anything negative happened and in fact it defeats your argument that when colonial powers negotiate borders disaster ensues. Oh true the Americans tried to invade us in 1812 but other then that we have shown the world how we both have been peaceful with one another and until the mutual terrorist security issues came upon us both had the longest undefended borders in the world and the only Yankees invading Canada were from a New York baseball team our tourists. If you or Ghost or anyone else want to blame colonial powers for all the ills of the world including Muslim extremism, then that is your subjective opinion-do not either you assume I agree with that which your comments could be construed to suggest. My position all along has been the same-while the intervention and creation of borders and nations such as Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia were designed to prop and protect Western oil interests through puppet monarchies, to suggest all of the current day problems of the Middle East flow from that is illogical because inter Muslim warfare between its sects has raged since the inception of Islam and long before the colonial powers of the 20th century involved themselves because of oil. The inter-violence between Muslim sects has gone on for thousand of years. No doubt it has been exasperated for example by creating a nation like Iraq that stacked Kurds on top of Sunnis on top of Shiites, but its not the only reason. I believe proper analysis of ME conflicts should take into consideration the vast range of religious, cultural, economic and ethnic influences and developments over a span of thousands of years not a snap shot and limited view of only certain modern day events. In fact don't think Ghost disagrees with that. I have read his other responses. We are bth well aware of the volatile history of the Middle East and the continuous wars, many tribal or religious in nature that have gone on since Biblical and pre Biblical days. He knows better that to infer or suggest I do not see colonial intervention as one component of the basis or cause of some of the ME conflicts. Suggesting I have never stated that is inaccurate. Edited April 9, 2015 by Rue Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 10, 2015 Report Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) This is gold!: Kerry to Iran: U.S. Won’t Tolerate "Overt Warfare" Across Borders Secretary of State John Kerry has called out Iran for what he says is Tehran’s heavy backing of Houthi rebels in Yemen. Speaking to PBS, Kerry said the United States will not tolerate countries that "engage in overt warfare across lines, international boundaries and other countries. Secretary of State John Kerry: "We’re very concerned about what’s going on there, and it’s just not a fact. There are obviously supplies that have been coming from Iran. There are a number of flights every single week that have been flying in and we trace those flights and we know those. We’re well aware of the support that Iran has been giving to Yemen. And Iran needs to recognize that the United States is not going to stand by while the region is destabilized or while people engage in overt warfare across lines, international boundaries and other countries." Kerry’s comments come one day after the Pentagon said it would expedite U.S. weapons shipments to aid the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen. Edited April 10, 2015 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
jbg Posted April 10, 2015 Report Posted April 10, 2015 Because the ones who made the borders are living within them. Big difference. Except for the French and aboriginals....but they've never caused any problems within Canada since then...right? By "artificial borders" he means "completely arbitrary BS created by foreign countries with no input from or regard for the population living within". What do you think would happen if you erased all the borders in Europe and re-drew them randomly? Absolute mayhem. Life wasn't so bad immediately after the Congress of Vienna. Maybe not so much in 1914. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 10, 2015 Report Posted April 10, 2015 Stature of Westminster, 1931. Canada declared war on Germany in 1939 separate from Britain, unlike WWI. But Canada did not gain its own citizenship or embassies until, I believe, 1944. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted April 10, 2015 Report Posted April 10, 2015 But Canada did not gain its own citizenship or embassies until, I believe, 1944. Yeah, 1946 I think. Got our flag in 1965. Canada developed as a sovereign country in a very slow, progressive fashion. Even most Canadians think 1867 we became our own country and that's it, even though we were not a fully sovereign country until 1982. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
GostHacked Posted April 10, 2015 Report Posted April 10, 2015 He knows better that to infer or suggest I do not see colonial intervention as one component of the basis or cause of some of the ME conflicts. Suggesting I have never stated that is inaccurate. Right, and the invasion of Iraq in 2003 would not be a reason why we see the instability in Iraq due to ISIS. History is long in the tooth, and one must go back 100 years go see how we got here today. So who created the borders in the Middle East? Quote
sharkman Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 This is gold!: Kerry to Iran: U.S. Won’t Tolerate "Overt Warfare" Across Borders This is the biggest "stepping in it" moment the US has committed, well, this year anyway. Obama is pursuing Iran's affections like a fat kid loves candy. They can do no wrong in his eyes, and therefore are getting away with all kinds of dangerous activity. They are aiding the Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen, while the US is giving military aid to Yemen. How in the world can you pursue a nuclear treaty with a nation that is actively involved in undermining Yemen? Here's the latest, Iran is sending a convoy of ships to resupply the rebels in Yemen. How do you like your "girlfriend" now, Obama? Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 This is the biggest "stepping in it" moment the US has committed, well, this year anyway. Obama is pursuing Iran's affections like a fat kid loves candy. They can do no wrong in his eyes, and therefore are getting away with all kinds of dangerous activity. They are aiding the Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen, while the US is giving military aid to Yemen. How in the world can you pursue a nuclear treaty with a nation that is actively involved in undermining Yemen? Here's the latest, Iran is sending a convoy of ships to resupply the rebels in Yemen. How do you like your "girlfriend" now, Obama? How about the undermining in Iraq the USA has caused? How about Libya? Syria? Why so selective? Quote
Shady Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Looks like Iran is getting blowback from their Yemen meddling. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also considering strikes in Syria as well. Iran's other proxy state. This comes on the heels of most Sunni countries considering mobilizing a common army to combat Iranian aggression in the region. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Welcome to World War III. This year we are all going to feel it. Quote
Shady Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Welcome to World War III. This year we are all going to feel it.Lol. Not quite, just a balancing of power in the Middle East, mostly through proxies. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Lol. Not quite, just a balancing of power in the Middle East, mostly through proxies. Balancing of power? How influencial is Iran compared to the multiple US and foreign entities now surrounding it along with terror groups that were allowed to flourish .. you know .. **** it.... there is no explaining anything to certain people. Edited April 18, 2015 by Michael Hardner profanity Quote
sharkman Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Balancing of power? How influencial is Iran compared to the multiple US and foreign entities now surrounding it along with terror groups that were allowed to flourish .. you know .. **** it.... there is no explaining anything to certain people. And your theory is that after 70 years, we are going to have another world war? That Obama still wants to sign anything with Iran when they are showing such aggression shows he is okay with what they are doing. This also shows his hidden animosity towards Israel. When will the Dem voting Jews in America realize they've been duped? Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 And your theory is that after 70 years, we are going to have another world war? That Obama still wants to sign anything with Iran when they are showing such aggression shows he is okay with what they are doing. This also shows his hidden animosity towards Israel. When will the Dem voting Jews in America realize they've been duped? Yes we will have another world war. But nice attempt to pin hidden animosity towards Israel. My animosity towards Israel is wide open (according to some). So why not just go into Iran and be done with it? What prevents the USA (and Israel) for that matter from attacking Iran outright? As much as Iran likes to play with terror groups, the Mossad and the CIA are doing similar operations in Iran. It is hard to see who is really right, and who is really wrong. But with the debacle that was and still is Iraq, I really need to take a bag of salt with anything the US or Israel says regarding Iran. They are not innocent in all of this as much as some here like to think that. Absolutely delusional. Quote
Shady Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Balancing of power? How influencial is Iran compared to the multiple US and foreign entities now surrounding it along with terror groups that were allowed to flourish .. you know .. **** it.... there is no explaining anything to certain people. Sunni vs Shia is centuries old, long before 'Merica even existed. The fact that Sunni countries are worried about Iranian aggression shouldn't sunrise anyone, and the fact that they seek to counter Iranian influence shouldn't be a surprise either. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Sunni vs Shia is centuries old, long before 'Merica even existed. The fact that Sunni countries are worried about Iranian aggression shouldn't sunrise anyone, and the fact that they seek to counter Iranian influence shouldn't be a surprise either. Why would you run with Saudi Arabia and not Iran? Both are the exact same, right? What is the difference that allows the West to support an radical islamic controlled state while not supporting another radical islamic state? How the hell do you people reconcile that in your brains? It is centuries old, but the west has picked a side to back. Which is not helping the situation. Because we have the 'bad guys' supporting the other faction in Islam. Something I have said before, and some of you are starting to understand that fact. The west and the east are BOTH to blame for this current shithole that is the Middle East. Quote
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