TimG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Many people don't accept the theory of evolution either.Except the theory of evolution has reasonably unambiguous evidence to support it. The theory of "systematic racism" is nothing but assumption made by people looking to make excuses for subgroups that chronically under-achieve. If "racism" was really the cause then we would have expected other minority groups like East Asians and South Asians to fair the same but those groups do reasonably well. This data alone suggests that whatever is going on the cause is not racism. Edited December 7, 2014 by TimG Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Nope. A policy change doesn't make it illegal, no matter how many times you want to perpetrate that lie. It's in the NY penal law as already posted here. It's not only a policy change. Quote
jacee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Statistics show that one particular age and racial group commits a disproportional amount of crime. Statistics show that crime rates are more related to poverty than to race: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Violent crime rates have more to do with poverty levels in a neighborhood than with the race of local residents, new research has found. A study of Columbus neighborhoods found that violent crime rates in extremely disadvantaged white neighborhoods were very similar to rates in comparable Black neighborhoods. Quote
TimG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 A study of Columbus neighborhoods found that violent crime rates in extremely disadvantaged white neighborhoods were very similar to rates in comparable Black neighborhoods.A study which provides support for the notion that whatever problems exist they have nothing to do with race. Quote
jacee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 A study which provides support for the notion that whatever problems exist they have nothing to do with race. /police-union-on-brown-and-garner-we-dont-believe-its-an-issue-of-race-we-believe-its-an-issue-of-poverty/ Quote
TimG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 /police-union-on-brown-and-garner-we-dont-believe-its-an-issue-of-race-we-believe-its-an-issue-of-poverty/Are we actually agreeing on something? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 It's there if you care to see it. It's not black people's job to bring it to your attention. There have been countless news articles about what they're doing in their communities, if one is so inclined to look into it. Perhaps, but outside of local news coverage, the amount of National and International coverage daily violence in Chicago receives is next to nothing when compared to Brown (or the recent incident in New York).......As to the onus, one would think the protesters intent is to receive coverage of their cause to gain support.....why aren't they protesting daily in Chicago, the Presidents hometown.......clearly sit-ins outside of Bears/Blackhawks/Bulls games, or chaining themselves to City Hall, corporate offices etc would garner more coverage........this effort will fade from the public sphere in the weeks ahead..... Hence, in my opinion, this is both a wasted and misguided effort and will result in nothing. Quote
jacee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 A study which provides support for the notion that whatever problems exist they have nothing to do with race. Not sure what you mean by "whatever problems", but the study does show that crime rates are more strongly related to poverty than to race. . Quote
eyeball Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 This whole tired narrative that white cops in the US are going around and killing black males for petty crimes or less is unfortunate... I think it's unfortunate because it overlooks how many people with mental illness are also killed in encounters with the police. It's not just parents of black kids that need to have the cop talk with their kids. I think this issue is less about race and more about a way over-the-top get-tough crack-down mentality that seems to have permeated police forces everywhere. I think it's a reflection of the official hysteria that 9/11 unleashed and police have probably been as deeply infected as anyone and maybe even more. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 The response to the outrage is equally instructive. Not to people who refuse to get it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Crack down mass conspiracy? No, I said official hysteria. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 /police-union-on-brown-and-garner-we-dont-believe-its-an-issue-of-race-we-believe-its-an-issue-of-poverty/ I'm not so sure a police union would be the first place I'd go to get an even keeled report on police conduct. However I think it's a fairly obvious conclusion to arrive at that crime rates correlate to poverty rates. To me the question comes back to for instance if I get caught selling cigarettes illegally, how will I be treated based on the color of my skin. The Garner video tells me without doubt that these cops went way over the top and also illegal with the use of the choke. Was that due to skin color? Here's another question, did anyone check those cops to see what kind of illegal substances might have been coursing through some of their veins. Lot's of talk of steroid use among the ranks these days. Quote
Shady Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Badges don't grant extra rights. Not rights but privileges. Quote
sharkman Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 No, I said official hysteria. You said quite a mouthful, but it sounds like you're pretty concerned about a "way over-the-top get-tough crack-down mentality that seems to have permeated police forces everywhere". I tend to be skeptical of conspiracy theories. Quote
sharkman Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Not rights but privileges. And a responsibility to uphold the law. A guy can't continue to sell illegal cigarettes just because he's been arrested 31 times before. It doesn't matter that he's 300 lbs, and has health issues, he's not above the law. Quote
Argus Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 I think it's unfortunate because it overlooks how many people with mental illness are also killed in encounters with the police. It's not just parents of black kids that need to have the cop talk with their kids. I think this issue is less about race and more about a way over-the-top get-tough crack-down mentality that seems to have permeated police forces everywhere. I think it's a reflection of the official hysteria that 9/11 unleashed and police have probably been as deeply infected as anyone and maybe even more. It started before that. I think it started with the proliferation of SWAT teams in the eighties and nineties. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 You said quite a mouthful, but it sounds like you're pretty concerned about a "way over-the-top get-tough crack-down mentality that seems to have permeated police forces everywhere". I tend to be skeptical of conspiracy theories. No one mentioned any conspiracies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 And a responsibility to uphold the law. A guy can't continue to sell illegal cigarettes just because he's been arrested 31 times before. It doesn't matter that he's 300 lbs, and has health issues, he's not above the law. So let's kill him. Quote
Argus Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 So let's kill him. What was done to him would not have killed a healthy man, nor was it intended to do so. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 What was done to him would not have killed a healthy man, nor was it intended to do so. What was done to him is illegal in the state because previous use has killed people, healthy or not. And to further debunk your comment, if he was unarmed and unhealthy and there was 1 of him and a bunch of them, why did he have to end up dead? Quote
Argus Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) What was done to him is illegal in the state because previous use has killed people, healthy or not. And to further debunk your comment, if he was unarmed and unhealthy and there was 1 of him and a bunch of them, why did he have to end up dead? Because he was fat and unhealthy. Edited December 7, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Because he was fat and unhealthy. Illegal choke holds can kill anyone. And, they're illegal. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Selling loosies on the street merits a ticket by the police officers. There is absolutely no need to tackle them to ground. Issue a ticket and move on. It was simply a power trip for the local police which resulted in the death of someone committing a misdemeanor. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted December 7, 2014 Report Posted December 7, 2014 Selling loosies on the street merits a ticket by the police officers. There is absolutely no need to tackle them to ground. Issue a ticket and move on. It was simply a power trip for the local police which resulted in the death of someone committing a misdemeanor. It amazes me no end that people can't grasp that even with the help of a visual of the whole thing. Quote
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