Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 No it wasn't. The prosecutor is under no obligation to present all of the evidence to a grand jury. True. But he's released all the evidence which was presented to the grand jury, and if he missed any people are free to point that out, including the federal authorities who have been investigating and closely following this case. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Posted November 25, 2014 It's certainly standard for an officer who was punched hard and shows signs of bruising to go to hospital. After first going back to the station to get cleaned up? You sure about that part? Swabs? What the hell kind of swabs do you want? You want to know if he had ear wax? Why are you posting in this topic again? Quote
jbg Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 And I guess facts matter after all. There was gun shot residue on Brown's hands and Brown's blood in the police car and ON Wilson. So Wilson wasn't lying after all, as some around here were insisting(Gee I guess maybe even if some cop haters on tv say he was lying, maybe that's not enough evidence). He was attacked while sitting down in his car by a thug. And as I said before, if a 292 lb thug is stupid enough to attack a cop, then whatever happens after that is his own stupid fault. And the knuckle draggers out looting are a sign that facts do not matter to some in the black community. A close friend of mine made a very interesting point. The blazes started alomst immediately, as if on a count of "3" after the announcement. Could this have been a planned riot? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 After first going back to the station to get cleaned up? You sure about that part? Yes. He would go back for an extensive interview, and to have the shirt with blood and powder residue removed for examination. But almost any large organization, including the police, want their employees checked out by doctors when they've suffered some kind of on-the-job injury. They'd want it for insurance purposes as a matter of policy, though I admit in this case they'd also want any injuries professionally assessed as part of the evidence. Why are you posting in this topic again? To question the strange outrage given off by Lefties. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 I've listened to many news channels on this and its still a bit confusing what the truth is. The Teen did rob a store and he apparently hit the cop in the face and under State law, a cop can shot someone, if the cop fears he's going to die or beat up and so the law was on the side of the cop BUT why didn't he just shoot at his legs so the teen could walk towards him? I hope Ferguson does become the burning city of Detroit in the 1960's. Quote
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 A close friend of mine made a very interesting point. The blazes started alomst immediately, as if on a count of "3" after the announcement. Could this have been a planned riot? I think there were a lot of people on the street that night eagerly awaiting the expected verdict and eager to take advantage of it to smash and burn and steal. And no, I don't think most of these people gave a damn about Michael Brown. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 I've listened to many news channels on this and its still a bit confusing what the truth is. The Teen did rob a store and he apparently hit the cop in the face and under State law, a cop can shot someone, if the cop fears he's going to die or beat up and so the law was on the side of the cop BUT why didn't he just shoot at his legs so the teen could walk towards him? I hope Ferguson does become the burning city of Detroit in the 1960's. Every cop in the world is trained to shoot into the center mass. A lot of people have a mistaken idea about how accurate hand guns are, especially in the hands of emotional/shocked/frightened/startled people. The only people who are going to be hurt by Ferguson burning down are the mostly Black residents of Ferguson, just like the people hurt by the destruction of Detroit are mostly Black people who lived there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Cops shoot people all the time....what's so special about a "teen" perp ? Only this one is special I guess, unlike when a black cop kills an unarmed white teen in Utah which the media treats differently - and no riots either. I didn’t see the President speaking to that one ! http://fox13now.com/2014/08/25/dozens-protest-death-of-dillon-taylor-shot-by-slc-police-officer ETA: The Castle Doctrine as written in Mo. Was part of the wording in the prosecutors explanation of not charging Wilson. http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Missouri-House-passes-change-in-self-defense-castle-doctrine-law-254885011.html Edited November 25, 2014 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Shady Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 I agree it is pathetic to insinuate things that you have no proof of and then attack others for asking you for said proof...that you don't have. It's a complete clown show. They don't know what evidence was left out, but they're positive it was. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Oh well, as we speak there is a 12 year old black kid dead in Ohio shot by police who was carrying a toy gun. As B_C has earlier pointed out in this thread, similar things happen regularly in the US. Until they evolve out of the wild west mentality, funeral parlors and gun stores will flourish. Let's not worry about it. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Would physical evidence include, for example, blood and gun powder residue on Wilson's body and clothes? Also: what physical evidence is there to suggest Brown was charging Wilson when he was killed? So you are relying on hearsay. Blood stains 25+ feet behind where Brown dropped Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) And so did I. But I don't care about this. The difference being this one was justified. Brown was a thug. You can't admit that because he's Black. He'd be a thug if he was White too. The problem is if he was white, the cops would have never shot him and his shoplifting would have been painted as a "transgression" or "mistake" by a teenager trying to find his identity. Instead he's a black thug, who mugged and robbed an innocent store clerk and was a threat to the lives of the police and everyone around. Edited November 25, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 You do realize the standard of evidence to convict in a trial is FAR higher than the standard of evidence required for a grand jury to indict, right? Also, you just complained that the prosecutor controls the grand jury presentation. Are you operating under the belief that being joined by defense council in controlling a trial will be more likely to lead to a conviction? I mean, the defense isn't even present during the grand jury hearings, and can't challenge anything nor cross examine hostile witnesses. You're really having troubles connecting the dots before typing up your tired indignation, eh? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 The problem is if he was white, the cops would have never shot him and his shoplifting would have been painted as a "transgression" or "mistake" by a teenager trying to find his identity. Instead he's a black thug, who mugged and robbed an innocent store clerk and was a threat to the lives of the police and everyone around. You couldn't be more wrong. You grab for a cops gun then charge that same cop, you're going down - no matter what colour you are. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Only this one is special I guess, The only people who seem to think this case is special are people like you who want to completely ignore the social and historical context of the incident and pretend that this was just an isolated individual incident with nothing to do with race or culture. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 You couldn't be more wrong. You grab for a cops gun then charge that same cop, you're going down - no matter what colour you are. You're going down...eventually...at some point....maybe while you're over a hundred feet away with your hands in the air. That's how dire the situation is. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 You're going down...eventually...at some point....maybe while you're over a hundred feet away with your hands in the air. That's how dire the situation is. He wasn't 100 feet away, he was 35 feet away and closing in. No hands in air either. I believe the "black" witnesses who went to the police more than the ones who, without thinking went to the media and were proved liars. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Poor thugs....so misunderstood. I wonder why they get shot so much ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Poor thugs....so misunderstood. I wonder why they get shot so much ? Hey, everybody! Look at bush_cheney! He needs your attention! Look at the one-liners, guys! PAY ATTENTION TO HIM! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Somebody is very upset...probably has never even been to Missouri. But an expert nevertheless..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Spiderfish Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 The problem is if he was white, the cops would have never shot him and his shoplifting would have been painted as a "transgression" or "mistake" by a teenager trying to find his identity. He wasn't stopped for shoplifting, Wilson stopped him because he was walking down the middle of the street and he asked them to move to the sidewalk. He didn't know that Brown had shaken down a convenience store at the time. He also wasn't shot for shoplifting...or for j-walking. He was shot because he assaulted a police officer and tried to grab his gun, then charging the officer when ordered to stop while fleeing. That's a pretty major "transgression", regardless of the colour of your skin. Instead he's a black thug, who mugged and robbed an innocent store clerk and was a threat to the lives of the police and everyone around. It appears that's the case. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 The only people who seem to think this case is special are people like you who want to completely ignore the social and historical context of the incident and pretend that this was just an isolated individual incident with nothing to do with race or culture. Sorry, but making Officer Wilson pay the price for slavery or for the mistreatment of blacks in the 50's/60's is just plain wrong. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted November 26, 2014 Report Posted November 26, 2014 Oh well, as we speak there is a 12 year old black kid dead in Ohio shot by police who was carrying a toy gun. As B_C has earlier pointed out in this thread, similar things happen regularly in the US. Until they evolve out of the wild west mentality, funeral parlors and gun stores will flourish. Let's not worry about it. Considering the number of real hand guns loose in the US, 12 year olds with toy guns are probably a minority. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Posted November 26, 2014 Considering the number of real hand guns loose in the US, 12 year olds with toy guns are probably a minority. OK...are the number of Canadians who worry about it a majority ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Posted November 26, 2014 Is it just me or has anyone else noticed a lot of people in Ferguson just happen to carry baseball bats around. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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