Ferguson unrest

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

CTV is wrong?

4 shots hit his arms. He could have been facing either away or toward the shooter to have that happen. The last 2 hit his head in such a way to indicate he was facing the shooter then. That's all you can conclude without more evidence.

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

That might be true if you don't have bones and muscle in the arm and/or the bullet was a full metal jacket (which police don't use).

Well let's assume he had both bones and muscles in his 18 year old arms. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

4 shots hit his arms. He could have been facing either away or toward the shooter to have that happen. The last 2 hit his head in such a way to indicate he was facing the shooter then. That's all you can conclude without more evidence.

So you feel Brown got shot four times in the arm from the back, then turned around, and got shot twice in the head?

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

Well let's assume he had both bones and muscles in his 18 year old arms. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Bones and muscle tissue, combined with hollow point ammo, doesn't create a clean in & out wound tract as you suggest.

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

Bones and muscle tissue, combined with hollow point ammo, doesn't create a clean in & out wound tract as you suggest.

That little fact is inconsequential to the discussion. Don't waste time.

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

So you feel Brown got shot four times in the arm from the back, then turned around, and got shot twice in the head?

That's possible. He could have got hit once with arms raised facing away, dropped his arms after the first hit and turned around to recieve the other 3 and then 2 to the head. There could be various combinations. The arm wounds (for the umpteenth time) conclude nothing about which way he was facing.

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

That little fact is inconsequential to the discussion. Don't waste time.

The entry and exit points of the bullets fired at Brown, and in turn determining Brown's stance, are inconsequential to the death of Brown? :huh:

And talking about it, in a thread on Brown's death, is a waste of time? :huh:

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

That's possible. He could have got hit once with arms raised facing away, dropped his arms after the first hit and turned around to recieve the other 3 and then 2 to the head. There could be various combinations. The arm wounds (for the umpteenth time) conclude nothing about which way he was facing.

Despite the media reporting of the interview with the person that conducted the autopsy, that stated as much.....

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

The entry and exit points of the bullets fired at Brown, and in turn determining Brown's stance, are inconsequential to the death of Brown?

And talking about it, in a thread on Brown's death, is a waste of time?

Continually pointing out the obvious is a waste of time.

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

Continually pointing out the obvious is a waste of time.

Well clearly it wasn't obvious to you, or you wouldn't have suggested hollow point ammo creates a clean in & out tract.

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

The entry and exit points of the bullets fired at Brown, and in turn determining Brown's stance, are inconsequential to the death of Brown?

And talking about it, in a thread on Brown's death, is a waste of time?

Take a look at Baden's press conference. He confirms what I am saying.

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

Well clearly it wasn't obvious to you, or you wouldn't have suggested hollow point ammo creates a clean in & out tract.

I suggested no such thing. Are you drinking?

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

Take a look at Baden's press conference. He confirms what I am saying.

So you're stating the CTV report I quoted was wrong?

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

I suggested no such thing. Are you drinking?

You stated:

You get hit in the arm. Bullet enters front of arm exits back of arm.

As I stated, that is not the nature of hollow point bullets........Are you drinking?

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

I'm saying I watched the initial press conference Baden gave. I take my quotes from there and my concepts from what we should all be able to see as obvious.

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

I'm saying I watched the initial press conference Baden gave. I take my quotes from there and my concepts from what we should all be able to see as obvious.

So CTV was wrong........I thought you suggested the results of the autopsy were not conclusive......so how could the "concepts" be obvious?

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

You stated:

As I stated, that is not the nature of hollow point bullets........Are you drinking?

It matters not the type of bullets. Just think for a moment or maybe stand up and go through the motions. Pick a certain wall and face it as if it is where whatever kind of bullets are coming from and the hit you in your forward facing arm. Now, turn around and raise your arms with palms facing forward which would be natural and imagine the bullets, whatever type of bullets coming from the direction of the initial wall. Guess what? Same bullet holes, same direction, same wounds. Get it?

Derek 2.0 · August 20, 2014

It matters not the type of bullets. Just think for a moment or maybe stand up and go through the motions. Pick a certain wall and face it as if it is where whatever kind of bullets are coming from and the hit you in your forward facing arm. Now, turn around and raise your arms with palms facing forward which would be natural and imagine the bullets, whatever type of bullets coming from the direction of the initial wall. Guess what? Same bullet holes, same direction, same wounds. Get it?

If I'm facing the wall, my arms are not forward facing, the inside of my arms are forward facing.........which doesn't lend the same aspect as turning around, with arms raised and palms out.......then the top portion of my arms are exposed..........

Again, you're suggesting Brown was shot numerous times from the back, turned around, and was shot from the front!!!!! Maybe there was a second shooter!!!! :lol:

On Guard for Thee · August 20, 2014

It matters not the type of bullets. Just think for a moment or maybe stand up and go through the motions. Pick a certain wall and face it as if it is where whatever kind of bullets are coming from and the hit you in your forward facing arm. Now, turn around and raise your arms with palms facing forward which would be natural and imagine the bullets, whatever type of bullets coming from the direction of the initial wall. Guess what? Same bullet holes, same direction, same wounds. Get it?

If I'm facing the wall, my arms are not forward facing, the inside of my arms are forward facing.........which doesn't lend the same aspect as turning around, with arms raised and palms out.......then the top portion of my arms are exposed..........

Again, you're suggesting Brown was shot numerous times from the back, turned around, and was shot from the front!!!!! Maybe there was a second shooter!!!!

Maybe your arms are attached differently than most peoples. Go listen to the press conference with Dr. Baden once agian. He and his partner quire cearly discuss how the arms are quite moblei limbs and therefore in this scenario one can not conclude which way you are facing when shot in the arm. It's fairly simple and obvious but take thier words for it, they are the experts. I am just reiterating what they say.

jacee · August 20, 2014

Gee, those Ferguson cops just killed another black man 'acting in a crazy way' -ie, he was suicidal ... so they killed him.

Now we're back to Sammy Yatim and others with mental health issues ... being shot by police because they 'act in a crazy way' ... ie, they act like they have mental health issues.

Boges · August 20, 2014

Gee, those Ferguson cops just killed another black man 'acting in a crazy way' -ie, he was suicidal ... so they killed him.

Now we're back to Sammy Yatim and others with mental health issues ... being shot by police because they 'act in a crazy way' ... ie, they act like they have mental health issues.

Yatim was isolated on a streetcar. Apparently this guy was walking towards the cops. Not the same thing.

Black Dog · August 20, 2014

No, I'll answer any question. I thought yours was rhetorical.

If the cops events turn out to true, I hope he gets off. I hope the Black community accepts it and I hope they move forward. Racism will never be licked because white people can not fix the problem. Like any problem, the answers have to come from within.

So you're saying black people need to fix the discrimination they face? Uh. What?

Mighty AC · August 20, 2014

Gee, those Ferguson cops just killed another black man 'acting in a crazy way' -ie, he was suicidal ... so they killed him.

He was carrying a knife, the cops asked him to drop it many times. Instead he kept walking towards the cops with the knife held up. The cops only shot him when he was within 4 feet, it's hard to blame them for that. However, when police Tasers have a maximum range of 35 feet, I have to wonder why one couldn't have been used in this situation.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Mighty AC