jbg Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 My jaw dropped when Blackdog tried to claim a business suit was "white" clothing. His attitude is typical of the attitudes within these communities that holds them back. It is not the racism from outside that causes problems. To the extent he has a point (and not very much) business suits can be a bit pricy. I get my expensive-looking ones dirt cheap but I have in-laws that have a vacation home in an outlet-studded area. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 One doesn't. I think resorting to labels is just being lazy. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) To the extent he has a point (and not very much) business suits can be a bit pricy. I get my expensive-looking ones dirt cheap but I have in-laws that have a vacation home in an outlet-studded area.The context was different. The cost of clothing was not relevant. I suggested the clothing a person wears has more of an impact on others than someone's race. Edited December 25, 2014 by TimG Quote
cybercoma Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 I agree with jbg that a major problem with blacks in the USA and Canada is the single parent family. Single-parent families are not a problem. Family instability is a problem. Quote
jbg Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Single-parent families are not a problem. Family instability is a problem. Would you call one mother having eight children, by different men, spaced out between ages 16 and 30 for the mother "instability"? I would. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bonam Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Single-parent families are not a problem. Cite? Quote
Argus Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Single-parent families are not a problem. Family instability is a problem. Yes, and absent fathers. The majority of children are born out of wedlock in Quebec, but the fathers are often living with he mothers, and tend to stay closely involved in the children's' upbringing. The cultural problem of Black communities in the US and Canada is not the lack of a wedding ring, but the lack of any sense of responsibility on the part of the fathers for raising their offspring. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Would you call one mother having eight children, by different men, spaced out between ages 16 and 30 for the mother "instability"? I would. I call absent and deadbeat fathers "instability". . Quote
cybercoma Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 Would you call one mother having eight children, by different men, spaced out between ages 16 and 30 for the mother "instability"? I would. Yes I would. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 Yes, and absent fathers. The majority of children are born out of wedlock in Quebec, but the fathers are often living with he mothers, and tend to stay closely involved in the children's' upbringing. The cultural problem of Black communities in the US and Canada is not the lack of a wedding ring, but the lack of any sense of responsibility on the part of the fathers for raising their offspring. Absent fathers can be a positive. If the father is violent and abusive, then his absence would be a benefit to the kids. Fact is, there's nothing inherently wrong about absent fathers or families splitting up. The problem comes when there is conflict and dysfunction or serial relationships from a single parent. Instability is a problem for children, not the absence of fathers per se. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 I call absent and deadbeat fathers "instability". Not necessarily. See my previous post to Argus. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 Cite? For what? You cut off the rest of my post, as if you didn't understand that the two points were connected. Should I have used a semicolon instead? A stable single-parent family home is better for children than an unstable two-parent home. A divorce or separation could benefit children by helping them escape abusive or dysfunctional situations. A single-parent family isn't inherently problematic and can in some cases be a benefit. Those who say "kids need two parents" are often the same people who argue that couples should "stay together for the kids" despite the relationship being dysfunctional and abusive. Let me politely suggest to you that you can your critical thinking skills to see that divorce and separation sometimes provides an escape from destructive situations. I don't need a cite for that. It's self evident. Quote
TimG Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Absent fathers can be a positive. If the father is violent and abusive, then his absence would be a benefit to the kids.Going from -100 to -50 is movement in a positive direction but -50 is still a negative number. Edited December 26, 2014 by TimG Quote
cybercoma Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Going from -100 to -50 is movement in a positive direction but -50 is still a negative number. Like I said, it's not inherently about two parents being there. It's about family stability, which in part includes income adequacy and parenting. http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2014/09/04-marriage-social-mobility-parenting-income-reeves?utm_campaign=Brookings+Brief&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14032209&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9BsxxWrC7UzpKwdg5mnUVIfcbMKWKbW8xHzB2kSkIg-WJUAf1jmQAXx-1PfM52RC3zkzqSDorban146DG2shwyjtA8Lg&_hsmi=14032209 Edited December 26, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
TimG Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Like I said, it's not inherently about two parents being there. It's about family stability, which in part includes income adequacy and parenting.You are arguing that a single parent family is not always bad. Argus is arguing that a sub-culture where single parent families are the norm is bad. I think you are both right. From a statistical perspective two involved parents is better than one but that does not mean there are not excellent single parents out there that can make up for the missing parent. Edited December 26, 2014 by TimG Quote
Big Guy Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 A stable two parent family unit will always be a better living environment for children than a stable one parent family. http://www.examiner.com/article/single-vs-two-parent-families-child-development-and-society Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 You are arguing that a single parent family is not always bad. Argus is arguing that a sub-culture where single parent families are the norm is bad. I think you are both right. From a statistical perspective two involved parents is better than one but that does not mean there are not excellent single parents out there that can make up for the missing parent. Unfortunately, teenage mothers are rarely excellent parents. And if they don't finish school but settle on welfare, as many do, then the kid has no decent role models, and probably very little discipline. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted December 26, 2014 Report Posted December 26, 2014 Every time I think this thread hits bottom, it keeps digging. The problem with blacks is single parent families? Wait it's only a black problem? I also know some single parent families that are better for the children and all involved. I've also seen people in their 30s and 40 that make terrible parents. Quote
jbg Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 Every time I think this thread hits bottom, it keeps digging.Lots of blame to go around. The problem with blacks is single parent families? Wait it's only a black problem? I also know some single parent families that are better for the children and all involved. The difference is that in most of the cases where the single parent is good, they've had good upbringings themselves and have a support system. The typical black single welfare mother of two at age 18, not so much. I've also seen people in their 30s and 40 that make terrible parents.That's true but are one-off examples. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestCoastRunner Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 The difference is that in most of the cases where the single parent is good, they've had good upbringings themselves and have a support system. The typical black single welfare mother of two at age 18, not so much. Unbelievable racist comments. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Shady Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 Unbelievable racist comments. Acknowledging truth, though uncomfortable, is not racist. Quote
jbg Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 Unbelievable racist comments.I referred primarily to age and number of children. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 Acknowledging truth, though uncomfortable, is not racist. once again it must be pointed out that just because you happen to believe something doesnt make it true Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 Acknowledging truth, though uncomfortable, is not racist. I see what you're saying, but 'truth' is always absorbed through the human experience, so it may not be clear what is being communicated in a 'fact'. For example, if I communicate statistics about race and certain morally unacceptable behaviors it can honestly be said to be "true", however people will not trust that you are communicating these facts for the best reasons, and will therefore may accuse you of racism. Now, certain media will enable supporting dialogue which could diffuse those suspicions but as it is the communication of facts alone (without context) is not a defense against racist intentions, at least not a defense for many audiences. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
TimG Posted December 27, 2014 Report Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) people will not trust that you are communicating these facts for the best reasons, and will therefore may accuse you of racism.It can be also said that the people using the label "racism" when people quote such statistics are doing so only to stifle debate and ensure that only their "facts" are considered when implementing policy. This, in turn, ensures that any policy actions will likely be ineffective since they are not to connected to reality. Seems to me that the addressing the real problems that exist requires honesty from both sides the debate. Edited December 27, 2014 by TimG Quote
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