jbg Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 How about "conmtempt of parliament" to start with? Nobody has ever achieved that before. There are of course lot's more but the upcoming one I suspect might be the "best" is the Duffy trial. Coming soon to a political theatre near you.The contempt charge was political and trumped up. I believe that the then-functioning Parliament proceeded to vote non-confidence. That election (May 2011) didn't go so well for two of the three parties that pulled the plug. and arguably not so well for that party either. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 The contempt finding came out of an ethics comittee. The non confidence vote was I think done so they could have an election before having to vote in the house on that contempt finding because if it would have passed, Harper would still have been PM, but would have been expelled from the house. Now that would have been embarrasing and no party really wanted to go down that road. Al though it would have looked good on him IMO. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) The contempt finding came out of an ethics comittee. The non confidence vote was I think done so they could have an election before having to vote in the house on that contempt finding because if it would have passed, Harper would still have been PM, but would have been expelled from the house. Now that would have been embarrasing and no party really wanted to go down that road. Al though it would have looked good on him IMO. Canadians rendered their opinion on this opposition-inspired faux-outrage.....by giving the Conservatives an even larger majority and obliterating the Liberals. Why bother continuing to bring up something that was so clearly deemed to be opposition theatrics? You're having a great deal of trouble "moving on".....but hey, you've got another chance - Justin is still riding high in the polls. At the end of the day, Canadians always have their say - and that has served us well since 1867. So be patient. Edited September 14, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 I guess memories of the LPC reign grow fonder with distance. Any memories of Sponsorship? Shawinigate? Is there any scandals of that degree of substance or gravity? I doubt it. Who are you talking to, Mr. Tea Party? Yes, Chretien was certainly more corrupt than Stephen Harper, more of a liar, more of a self-serving crook, and his government certainly showed a lot more interest in feeding taxpayer money into the pockets of its supporters. But is that a reason to praise Harper? "Well, at least he's not taking bags of money"? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) How about "conmtempt of parliament" to start with? Nobody has ever achieved that before. Nobody gives a crap about that. If I was in parliament I'd feel contempt for it myself. I'm nowhere near it and I still feel contempt for it and damn near every MP in it. Edited September 14, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 I give a crap about it and I keep bringing it up when people keep trying to pretend it didn't happen or doesn't matter. And now for those who don't like parliament I'm all ears as to just what you would replace it with. Putin is apparently quite popular I hear. Wanna try that style out perhaps? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 And I would add that anyone who thinks the finding was "opposition theatrics" doesn't quite understand how it hapenned. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 14, 2014 Report Posted September 14, 2014 And I would add that anyone who thinks the finding was "opposition theatrics" doesn't quite understand how it hapenned. Why don't you explain it again? Here's some help. The Libs, NDP, and Bloc demanded more information on Jets and Jails and used that ploy to outvote the minority Conservatives on the contempt motion. Now, almost 4 years later - prisoners are not spilling out of jails as the opposition parties incessantly declared - and we have still not yet signed a contract for the jets......which pretty much proves that the information they were given was not as flawed as the faux-outrage implied. That was the basis for contempt - mere weeks after the election. When the opposition followed that up with a motion of non-confidence, proroguing was the only alternative. And then the Canadian public spoke loud and clear......and they're usually pretty smart. Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 Canadians rendered their opinion on this opposition-inspired faux-outrage.....by giving the Conservatives an even larger majority and obliterating the Liberals.One slight correction. The Conservatives had a minority before the March 2011 non-confidence vote and a majority after the May 2011 election. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 You need a lot more corrections that that, but at least you caught that one. You have the calendar all mixed up. But more importantly, the jets part was that Harper wouldn't give up his files on true costs. The jails part was he wouldn't give up files that showed that detainees in the custody of Canada were given over to the afghan army for possible torture, contrary to Canadian law. The prorogue stuff is just another Harper record for having used it more than any other previous PM. Pick a time. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 One slight correction. The Conservatives had a minority before the March 2011 non-confidence vote and a majority after the May 2011 election. Thank you - brain cramp. Yes - that was my point - after only a couple of months of watching the antics of the opposition parties - Canadians rewarded the minority Conservative party with a comfortable majority and obliterated the Liberals. The opposition faux-outrage clearly did not pass the smell test with voters. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 The timing was such that most voters didn't get it. Again, look at the timing . Harper got a free ride but that's old history. The next scandal will be Duffy. Quote
eyeball Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 And then the Canadian public spoke loud and clear......and they're usually pretty smart. Except when the Canadian public is usually pretty ignorant. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
overthere Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 The timing was such that most voters didn't get it. Again, look at the timing . Harper got a free ride but that's old history. The next scandal will be Duffy. Oh oh. Did somebody in the PCs give Mike Duffy $200 million? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 Who knows? Wait for the court case to begin and maybe we'll find out. In any case, influence pedaling is illegal regardless of the number of zero's on the check. Quote
PIK Posted September 15, 2014 Report Posted September 15, 2014 The senate means nothing. The contempt means nothing, what happens in the last weeks of the election means everything and that is where little Justin will fail. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 On this point I had hoped Harper was going to practice that grassroots democracy he preached as a Reformer. Unfortunately, he turned out to be the most iron fisted, PMO-centric leader we've had. And so far trudeau has lied about open nominations, thrown out the senators and threw out the pro choice and people say harper is a dictator. Harper is tough and that is what we need, and JT on the world stage will get eaten alive. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 The senate will mean something alright, especially if Harper has to testify. He can't so easily obfuscate under oath as he does constantly in QP. As to JT and his senators, recall back in the day when Harper said he wouldn't appoint senators? He's appointed more than any previous PM. JT didn't "throw out" ( I think you meant to say pro life). He said you can do as you like in your own life, you just can't vote to take away a womans choice over her own body, especially after such a long and ardous fight to get it. Harper is lame and getting lamer. I guess most Canadians agree hence the polls. Quote
jbg Posted September 16, 2014 Report Posted September 16, 2014 You have the calendar all mixed up. How so? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Mighty AC Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Harper is tough and that is what we need, and JT on the world stage will get eaten alive.I find it interesting that you see the change in Canada's appearance on the world stage, under Harper, as a positive. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Keepitsimple Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 I find it interesting that you see the change in Canada's appearance on the world stage, under Harper, as a positive. How can you not? Germany, the UK, Australia, Israel all openly have great respect for Harper. His maternal healthcare initiaive and partnership with Bill and Melinda Gates have Africa's respect. The business community in the US are awed by his subject matter knowledge. The guy has flaws, as does his party - but there is no denying the guy stands tall among world leaders. Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 How can you not? Germany, the UK, Australia, Israel all openly have great respect for Harper. His maternal healthcare initiaive and partnership with Bill and Melinda Gates have Africa's respect. The business community in the US are awed by his subject matter knowledge. The guy has flaws, as does his party - but there is no denying the guy stands tall among world leaders. yup... Israel, for sure! Germany??? Australia... over their recent past, depends on the leader. The U.S./Obama... not so much, hey? by the by, was it the stellar Harper Conservative foreign policy that lost Canada the UN Security Council seat in the 2010 bid? Is that the reason Baird dismissed trying again this year... stating Canada has "other priorities" right now? Quote
PIK Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) yup... Israel, for sure! Germany??? Australia... over their recent past, depends on the leader. The U.S./Obama... not so much, hey? by the by, was it the stellar Harper Conservative foreign policy that lost Canada the UN Security Council seat in the 2010 bid? Is that the reason Baird dismissed trying again this year... stating Canada has "other priorities" right now? And we wear that proudly. Never mind your UN,it is run by the worst of the worst. We have no time for these losers. To bad other governments would show the same balls and can these guys.And what will really embarrass Canada is a JT win, the world will just shakes it's haed and how we throw out a true leader for a kid with nothing but hair. We will be the laughing stock and probably make some dictators real happy having a friend leading Canada. Edited September 17, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Nevermind the UN, ok. We're the laughing stock of NATO too, barely able to fulfill our obligations there. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 yup... Israel, for sure! Germany??? Australia... over their recent past, depends on the leader. The U.S./Obama... not so much, hey? by the by, was it the stellar Harper Conservative foreign policy that lost Canada the UN Security Council seat in the 2010 bid? Is that the reason Baird dismissed trying again this year... stating Canada has "other priorities" right now? More to the point, Obama does not have the respect of Harper - and how could he? The most important job in the world and he's on the golf course. Obama has been such a tragic disappointment. As for Portugal and the UN - that inane decision says more about the UN than it does about Canada and Harper. Good for Baird. Quote Back to Basics
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